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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 12 Dec 2021, 14:46 |
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Joined: 12/30/15 Posts: 1821 Post Likes: +1909 Location: Charlotte
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The best light jet…..hmm….might be a turboprop Pressure differential of 9.0 Cabin height of 5’10”. Width 6’ No type rating required Faster than most light jets. Very forgiving with exceptionally docile stall characteristics. Full stand up LAV Spousal approval Most are currently on sale for half what they should be.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 12 Dec 2021, 18:02 |
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Joined: 05/23/08 Posts: 6063 Post Likes: +715 Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
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These are not SP, a waiver wont work for Canada or internationally. Im in no hurry, I will be buying when the market crash. Username Protected wrote: For me my next step when I decide to switch to a jet to replace the TBM would be between a CJ3+ or Phenom 300. I went Citation V. Will do 1200 nm in winter headwinds easily. Excellent short field airplane. Blows me away. Lower cost to get than your list by far. Fully upgraded to newest Garmin glass, dual G700 TXi, dual GTN 750 Xi, GWX 75, GI 275 backup. Nice! Don't need to be on engine, parts, labor programs to maintain it. Can get a low utilization program that doubles major inspection intervals. Lots of shops can work on it, don't need to be near a factory service center. You are going to pay a TON for a CJ3+ or P300 right now. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 00:25 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14567 Post Likes: +12362 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: What’s the smallest jet with an APU? The smallest jet you can find and then just run the right engine. 
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 00:58 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 20766 Post Likes: +26271 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: Found an SF50. ! Not a real jet. As to smallest jet with an APU, I think that might be the 560XL. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 01:27 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14567 Post Likes: +12362 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Found an SF50. ! Not a real jet. As to smallest jet with an APU, I think that might be the 560XL. Mike C.
A two pilot jet.
Also G100. Much cheaper, faster, long range but two pilots.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 07:16 |
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Joined: 07/11/11 Posts: 2416 Post Likes: +2774 Location: Woodlands TX
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Username Protected wrote: What’s the smallest jet with an APU? Why would you want the added cost, weight and complexity of an APU? Besides there are no SP Jets with APUs. If you want to run the AC just plug a cart.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 09:08 |
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Joined: 09/05/12 Posts: 698 Post Likes: +524 Location: Vero Beach, FL
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Username Protected wrote: The closet thing to a single pilot jet with an APU is the PC-24.
It’s accomplished by running the right engine in “quiet mode”
I suspect that technology with show up on the CJ4 soon.
I would imagine Textron will come out with the CJ4+, with a Garmin panel and Williams Quiet Power. Phenom P300E has that too, we don't ever use it...FBO always has a GPU for us. The "quite mode" has a limitation of 30 minutes if I recall correctly.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 09:54 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 20766 Post Likes: +26271 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: The closet thing to a single pilot jet with an APU is the PC-24. How is that different than running the right engine on a 1970s Citation 501? The legacy Citations have a valve in the bleed air system for the right engine, so called "GND MODE", which provides extra air for the environmental systems with the right engine running. Thus the right engine provided electrical and bleed air power like an APU would. APUs are a lot of extra cost to maintain. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 10:05 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 8577 Post Likes: +11124 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: The closet thing to a single pilot jet with an APU is the PC-24. How is that different than running the right engine on a 1970s Citation 501? The legacy Citations have a valve in the bleed air system for the right engine, so called "GND MODE", which provides extra air for the environmental systems with the right engine running. Thus the right engine provided electrical and bleed air power like an APU would. APUs are a lot of extra cost to maintain. Mike C.
I think with the 300E that’s exactly what it is, just running at idle. With the PC-24 it’s actually running at a minimum power setting, well below idle.
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Post subject: Re: The Best Light Jet is... Posted: 13 Dec 2021, 10:09 |
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Off the top of my head :
Astra, Citation 650 (3,6,7), Hawker 6/7/800, Sabre, Lear 45/75/60 (not sure about the 55?).
As for the PC24 and the right engine whisper mode - hardly innovative. Crews have been doing that on jets for decades.
Having a good APU changes the game.
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