BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jan 2018, 12:44

Username Protected wrote:

You're coming off like one of the guys in the VFR thread who thinks you know so much more than everyone else because you fly/flew for a living.

Well that is unfortunate, I'm going to immediately enroll in MB's school of BT writing.

I think we are all reading and assuming too much into this topic.

My GA knowledge a year ago was like a single speck of sand on a beach. Thanks to BT, I now have enough GA sand to make a small beach.

I also appreciate your PC-12 knowledge and experience

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jan 2018, 12:52

The other night I was getting my teeth kicked in at 220. Center offered 200 and I took it, amazing the difference 2k ft made. :shrug:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jan 2018, 15:00

Username Protected wrote:

I disagree, I think it will increase values as the relative value to new will remain the same. I think it will impact the double enders.

At the end of the day, what manufacturers should be doing (which I think that the PC12 has done in spades) is introduce non-flying people to the fold.........I see a fair number of PC12 owned but not flown (use a contract pilot) by folks using GA with a purpose........

I'm bullish on the PC12 if the markets continue to go up, bullish if it does down (as it becomes a much better alternative to expensive hourly counterparts) and if the Denali comes to fruition, it may reduce new sales of the PC12, but the existing market I think will rise........folks will look at a new one, say boy, that's pricey, let me grab a used model..........BOOM I'll be the first guy to sell his PC12 for twice what he paid.........but then I'm stuck needing to buy something else...........

geez Brent, see where we are at now?

100% Bonus Deprecation alone will drive sales, support markets and bring new blood into GA... hold on to your hats boys... we’re in for a wild ride! You’re PC12 will probably increase in value even with new competition.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jan 2018, 19:59

Username Protected wrote:

Does giving a false ride report make me a horrible person?

"Pilatus XXX how's your ride at FL270"?.......

"Smooth".... as I hit my head on the ceiling...

Pilatus wing loading makes even smooth air feel uncomfortable :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 13:18

Username Protected wrote:

Does giving a false ride report make me a horrible person?

"Pilatus XXX how's your ride at FL270"?.......

"Smooth".... as I hit my head on the ceiling...

Pilatus wing loading makes even smooth air feel uncomfortable :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 13:35

Username Protected wrote:

I don't know airliners or their wing loading, but it seems like they are more susceptible to turbulence than private jets.

So a BBJ is less susceptible to turbulence than a 737? How about for a Challenger 604 versus a CRJ or Embraer Legacy 600 versus ERJ?

All kidding aside, what is your basis for the statement above?

-Neal

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 13:47

Username Protected wrote:

I don't know airliners or their wing loading, but it seems like they are more susceptible to turbulence than private jets.

So a BBJ is less susceptible to turbulence than a 737? How about for a Challenger 604 versus a CRJ or Embraer Legacy 600 versus ERJ?

All kidding aside, what is your basis for the statement above?

-Neal

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 14:21

Username Protected wrote:

Does giving a false ride report make me a horrible person?

"Pilatus XXX how's your ride at FL270"?.......

"Smooth".... as I hit my head on the ceiling...

Pilatus wing loading makes even smooth air feel uncomfortable :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 14:57

Username Protected wrote:

Yeah.... "not being a pu$$y" helps a lot too.

It gets annoying when passengers scream so loud your noise cancelling headset won't drown that noise :(

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 15:00

Username Protected wrote:

Yeah.... "not being a pu$$y" helps a lot too.

It gets annoying when passengers scream so loud your noise cancelling headset won't drown that noise :(

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 15:17

Username Protected wrote:

It gets annoying when passengers scream so loud your noise cancelling headset won't drown that noise :(

I tell my passengers to only scream if they hear me scream first.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 15:26

Username Protected wrote:

My buddy Lance was at Flight Safety, flying a engine out missed approach or the like... evil instructor screaming in his ear the whole time.

Lance finally said "you know, I could do this a lot better without you screaming at me"

The instructor very calmly said "better me screaming at you, than your wife and children"

Stan works at FSI now??

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 15:32

Username Protected wrote:

Does giving a false ride report make me a horrible person?

"Pilatus XXX how's your ride at FL270"?.......

"Smooth".... as I hit my head on the ceiling...

In the PC12, I call it moderate turbulence when the tray tables bounce out.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 15:38

Username Protected wrote:

Yeah.... "not being a pu$$y" helps a lot too.

It gets annoying when passengers scream so loud your noise cancelling headset won't drown that noise :(

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2018, 16:52

turbulence is complex. Wing loading is part of it, as well as the aspect ratio of the wing. Don't forget to factor in speed though. Think of crossing a choppy lake with 2 foot swells in a row boat at 4 mph, versus a bass boat at 20 mph. The row boat will gently bomb up and down, and the bass boat will feel like it is coming apart. Well the SETP's are the rowboats and the jets are the Bass boats. For the most part when the airliners are reporting light or moderate out of SLC in the climb, I am reporting the same. I am not a big fan of turbulence, but when I get it, I just slow down and ride it out.

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