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					| Username Protected wrote: OK, but what's the max range/aux fuel mod you can do without going Sierra and Williams?
 I suppose what I'm asking is - is this the aircraft I should be looking at to replace all my international airline travel down the road? For it to be feasible, it needs at least 1500nm range.
 How does 1500nm get you a replacement for international airline travel? (Unless international is just Baja Mexico and Western Canada.)
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted:  02 Jan 2018, 10:41  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Gander-iceland-scotland I'm no fan of airline travel, but if that is your idea of an alternative then I'll stick with what I'm doing today, which is:
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					|  Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted:  02 Jan 2018, 10:47  |  |  
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					| Exactly! 6 hours to Paris, 6.5 hours to Amsterdam; 7.5 hours to Zurich, lay-flat seat to sleep eastbound, (basically) no worries about weather, upright cabin, flushing lavs, hot galley, etc.Username Protected wrote: Gander-iceland-scotland I'm no fan of airline travel, but if that is your idea of an alternative then I'll stick with what I'm doing today, which is:
 The airlines are tough (impossible?) to beat on 3000+ mile journeys over water.
 
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted:  02 Jan 2018, 11:01  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: I need a GIF of me offering you some Grey Poupon from my G650The airlines are tough (impossible?) to beat on 3000+ mile journeys over water.
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted:  02 Jan 2018, 11:18  |  |  
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					| You pay for the G650 charter to Europe and I'll dress up in whatever costume you want to ask for that Grey Poupon...Username Protected wrote: The airlines are tough (impossible?) to beat on 3000+ mile journeys over water.I need a GIF of me offering you some Grey Poupon from my G650
 When business class tickets are under $5K/person, I suspect you, me, and most of the rest of BT will be doing a lot more of that than G650 hopping...
 
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted:  02 Jan 2018, 13:59  |  |  
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					| If you do it once in awhile, then airlines are fine. But I do it all the time and to places not always well served. The amount of grief it often gives, is very taxing and stressful. In the last 2 months I've been to Glasgow, London, Munich, Cape Town, Milan, Barcelona, Lisbon. The delays I encountered were probably more than 2 days in total, missed connections, stress over not arriving in time etc. In Nov month alone I had to throw away about $6K of flights as my dates changed and re-scheduling them didn't work. Had to buy complete new sets of tickets multiple times. My jobs move last minute, they're not always fixed dates and therefore not well suited for airline travel.  I understand that flying your own plane would not be a cheaper alternative, or less tiring or even always an option depending on time of year and weather, but with all the waste I experience, the gap would be less. And probably less stressful as well, with the right plane.  But admittedly, it's just a pipe dream.    _________________
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					|  Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted:  02 Jan 2018, 14:23  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: In the last 2 months I've been to Glasgow, London, Munich, Cape Town, Milan, Barcelona, Lisbon. The delays I encountered were probably more than 2 days in total, missed connections, stress over not arriving in time etc. In Nov month alone I had to throw away about $6K of flights as my dates changed and re-scheduling them didn't work. Had to buy complete new sets of tickets multiple times. My jobs move last minute, they're not always fixed dates and therefore not well suited for airline travel. In a 501/510/525/550 class airplane, you could instead be throwing away an extra $6K and, because of slower cruise and multiple stops, incurring that 2 days of delays on each of your round-trip trans-Atlantic trips, rather than in total. Are you at least flying up front? If not, that's a 1/4th of the cost way to make it way easier on yourself.
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: Are you at least flying up front? If not, that's a 1/4th of the cost way to make it way easier on yourself.
 I fly up front whenever they have the budget for it, which is most of the time. But next week I go to Milan again and they only have €500 in travel budget, so then I'm facing suffering 18hrs in economy, or putting up the difference myself. Will see if I can find a happy medium, maybe premium economy at least for the transatlantic part. It would just feel a lot better paying that extra money for fuel in your own plane, even when it's lots more, than giving it to some airline..  _________________
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					| Username Protected wrote: How much extra fuel does the Branson tank give? This is from the Sierra 2012 catalog. 120 gallons @$210k.  Gary
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					|  Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted:  02 Jan 2018, 17:56  |  |  
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					| Mike-
 Glad your enjoying the new sports car..  Last we talked was P baron days. I'm getting back onto the BT since being plane less for 1 1/2 years.
 
 I wanted to chime in on a couple experiences after 30-40 schools and 9 types. Most all of the schools have hours of wasted time telling you how to tune a radio, stalls, steep turns etc.. Along with Donuts every 45 mins.. Lots of BS. I imagine you'll find better instructors out in the real world too- some of my instructors have been worthless.  The training your doing sounds great. I think you'll benefit when you go for recurrent after some time in the plane - mainly engine failure stuff and confidence builders.. The sim does 1 real main objective -- train your brain to function under pressure with the adrenaline pumping -- remember this...  You'll be fine.. We all can function easy when it's all happy happy happy.
 
 I agree on MX -- crap is to expensive.. if you can save a nickel then do it.. I tried doing MX but I'd rather go make money than doing something I know nothing about..
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					| Username Protected wrote: How much extra fuel does the Branson tank give? This is from the Sierra 2012 catalog. 120 gallons @$210k.  Gary
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					| Username Protected wrote: If you do it once in awhile, then airlines are fine. But I do it all the time and to places not always well served. The amount of grief it often gives, is very taxing and stressful. In the last 2 months I've been to Glasgow, London, Munich, Cape Town, Milan, Barcelona, Lisbon. The delays I encountered were probably more than 2 days in total, missed connections, stress over not arriving in time etc. In Nov month alone I had to throw away about $6K of flights as my dates changed and re-scheduling them didn't work. Had to buy complete new sets of tickets multiple times. My jobs move last minute, they're not always fixed dates and therefore not well suited for airline travel.  I understand that flying your own plane would not be a cheaper alternative, or less tiring or even always an option depending on time of year and weather, but with all the waste I experience, the gap would be less. And probably less stressful as well, with the right plane.  But admittedly, it's just a pipe dream.    Adam, We haven’t met but I kinda feel like your a perfect match for an Avanti._________________
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					| Username Protected wrote: Adam,
 
 We haven’t met but I kinda feel like your a perfect match for an Avanti.
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