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 Post subject: Re: Purchasing a Citation V
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The Citation 550 sim at Sim Com in dallas is a clunker! It was used to type the captain of the Mayflower! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:



You guys all have this wrong, that sim was used to fly Jesus to the Last Supper... :lol:


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I think a plane will fly further with a CPA than an Attorney, it depends!


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I think a plane will fly further with a CPA than an Attorney, it depends!


But what if you are both? Max range and you can sue someone when you arrive :coffee:

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As long as they are "Aviation" CPA's and Attorneys... we are good! And (hopefully) no one will get sued! A non-aviation friendly attorney or CPA can really take the fun out of aviation!

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 Post subject: Re: Purchasing a Citation V
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Are these numbers in the ballpark for the V?

Hrs per year: 250
Avg fuel $: 3.50
Total fuel gallons: 45,000
Annual fuel: $157,500
Airframe Maint: $100,000
Engine & APU: $90,000
Misc Crew: $40,000
Training: $17,000
Hangar: $24,000
Insurance: $10,000
Miscellaneous: $10,000
Total: $448,500
Per hr: $1794

Seems too high/too low? What's missing

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 Post subject: Re: Purchasing a Citation V
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Without having a clue what I'm talking about, $100K for maintenance seems a bit high. But I'm sure it could be very close to the truth on a bad year.

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The phase V every 36 months is a 100k so that only leaves 67K for all other maintanence.

100k a year is not too much.

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For the low time (under 150 hours a year) user, that time between inspections can be about doubled with Ed Bacon's program if it meets conditions. So, as with anything, it depends :).
Still, factor in how much that plane would be new: if you have to replace with factory parts and how important dispatch reliability is.

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Are these numbers in the ballpark for the V?

Hrs per year: 250
Avg fuel $: 3.50
Total fuel gallons: 45,000
Annual fuel: $157,500
Airframe Maint: $100,000
Engine & APU: $90,000
Misc Crew: $40,000
Training: $17,000
Hangar: $24,000
Insurance: $10,000
Miscellaneous: $10,000
Total: $448,500
Per hr: $1794

Seems too high/too low? What's missing


If your estimates are based on an average leg length of an 1 hour the fuel usage numbers are low. An average fuel burn with leg Lengths of .9 hour are 220 gallons/hour. Your numbers are based in 180 gallons per hour which would require very long stage lengths. I'll be glad to send you several years of actual fuel burn data. PM me!

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Found this V browsing on Controller. Love the panel.


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Mark, I know the guy that flew that thing for years. PM me you get serious about it.


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Found this V browsing on Controller. Love the panel.



Real jets don't use boots....

Not even on the horizontal stab


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Real jets don't use boots....

Not even on the horizontal stab

So the Citation SII is a "real" jet?

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Real jets don't use boots....

Not even on the horizontal stab

So the Citation SII is a "real" jet?

Mike C.


Not quite...An SII is like a citation 560 with the anti ice on! The 560 also has boots!
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Not quite...An SII is like a citation 560 with the anti ice on!

Okay, so an SII upgraded with Williams?

No boots, ample performance.

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