BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 08:33

Certainly rock stars would choose the tighter pants and faster aircraft.

Country folk more likely to go with slower and bigger aircraft and who knows...no pants! :lol:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 08:57

Username Protected wrote:

Tim-- IMO-- The Aerostar is not signifantly faster than a 421 but it is significantly less room for comfort.

That is funny. My normal cruise was over 20 knots faster in the low 20s compared to the RAM upgraded stats at 65% power compared to the 75% power on the 421C. And if I climbed all the way to 25-27K I could easily hit 245 KTAS without trying to hard.
Then when you add climb performance and descent?

Every plane is a trade off, rarely do you find a plane which sucks at everything. However, in this case, Cessna went for cabin comfort in the 421, while the Ted Smith Aerostar went for speed. :shrug:

Not saying one is better, I just know which one I prefer to fly, and which one I prefer when stuck in the back. :cheers:

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 10:32

Username Protected wrote:

the 2 planes are vastly different in comfort with a stand up cabin

Define "stand up cabin".

This is obviously some strange usage of that term I was not previously aware of.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 10:38

Mike

Stand up cabin or cabin class is a term recognized for classification for the cabin size and mobility. I stand up along with kids but hunched over unlike a baron where your crawling or moving around on your butt.. Cabin class on a 421 would be similar to a king air, premier jet , Cj . On a 4 hour leg the pax are able to stand up rather than sit at takeoff and stay seated till landing.. While speed is not vastly different the difference maker is comfort during the trip
Hope this helps your understanding.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 10:51

Username Protected wrote:

I stand up along with kids but hunched over

Sorry, that ain't a "stand up cabin", at least not how the industry defines it. You have to get into midsize or larger jets before you get what they call "stand up cabin" (generally heights around 6 ft or more).

Maybe we can call that a "stand hunched over cabin" as opposed to a "crawl cabin".

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 11:07

Mike

I guess common sense people get the idea as we discuss and debate GA planes...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 21:30

aaaahhhh.. spirited debate!

:popcorn:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 21:33

A Cessna 421 is far from a stand up cabin at 4' 3" except for maybe a 12 year old. The Premier is almost there at 5' 4". Big difference and the incorrect use of the term in the industry. Nobody calls a 4+change cabin "stand up".

While seated, there is no doubt that the 421 has a comfortable cabin, but you can't walk down the center isle.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 22:05

Username Protected wrote:

Maybe we can call that a "stand hunched over cabin" as opposed to a "crawl cabin".

Mike C.

How about walk through vs crawl through. I'm an inch or two shy of 6 ft but have had no problem "walking" through the cabin of a 340, 421, or Navajo. But I wouldn't consider any one of those to be a "stand up" cabin.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Nov 2015, 23:51

Username Protected wrote:

"Significant" isn't necessarily a linear function. Would you rather make a three hour trip in pants that fit and a 200kt plane or a 2:40 trip in a plane that is 10% faster wearing pants 10% smaller

Since I lost weight, I will take the 10% smaller pants.

Who knows, it might give me an incentive to lose some more!

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Nov 2015, 09:42

Username Protected wrote:

Maybe we can call that a "stand hunched over cabin" as opposed to a "crawl cabin".

Mike C.

How about walk through vs crawl through. I'm an inch or two shy of 6 ft but have had no problem "walking" through the cabin of a 340, 421, or Navajo. But I wouldn't consider any one of those to be a "stand up" cabin.