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 Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
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Doug,

I agreed up above that they could have get more data the moved the risk analysis.

I agree with what you are saying also.

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The sucker does accelerate slow. Probably because it’s 350 HP and 3200#. Not polar enough.


...even those HP numbers are suspect. He based his hp numbers on his fuel flow calculations from the ECU - without knowing how much fuel he was/is pumping overboard, re-drive loss, A/C loss, etc.

The only actual measurements I recall (I don't think he ever ran it on a Dyno) was some basic static thrust type measurements, and those yielded an indicated thrust somewhere in the neighborhood of what an O-470 powered C-182 puts out...at 230-250 horses, so it's likely the engine is producing quite a bit less hp than he thinks.


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I missed that. For clarification, is the static thrust equal that of a O470/C182?

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Word is that the test pilot doesn’t like the terrain where the airplane is to be flown.


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More likely, he doesn’t like the terrain where he’ll need to land if the piggy won’t fly.


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People have been telling Peter this whole time to pick a different airport. There’s no way they could fly this thing in ground effect and get it back on the ground and stopped.

Place your bets 1) done 2) another round of emails trying to get people to give more money?


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3) he goes it alone.


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4) he goes it alone, films it if he lives, and the pays to transport it to a proper airport for flight testing.


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My bet is that he may actually realize that his dream won't happen at this airport...
He rents a flat bed truck... Goes to where it can be flown safely... That thing flies into ground effect... And remains in ground effect... Then goes into a small dome museum in Long Beach... :D

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My bet is that he may actually realize that his dream won't happen at this airport...
He rents a flat bed truck... Goes to where it can be flown safely... That thing flies into ground effect... And remains in ground effect... Then goes into a small dome museum in Long Beach... :D

The flatbed seems the most likely to me. He is probably not desperate enough to try to fly it himself. If he ever is, and is actually a pilot, and can actually get it to fly, then why not fly it to some other airport with favorable geography so that the test pilots can check the boxes?

I seriously doubt that's going to happen, and I'm pretty sure it won't ever be on display in a museum.

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My bet is that he may actually realize that his dream won't happen at this airport...
He rents a flat bed truck... Goes to where it can be flown safely... That thing flies into ground effect... And remains in ground effect... Then goes into a small dome museum in Long Beach... :D

The flatbed seems the most likely to me. He is probably not desperate enough to try to fly it himself. If he ever is, and is actually a pilot, and can actually get it to fly, then why not fly it to some other airport with favorable geography so that the test pilots can check the boxes?

I seriously doubt that's going to happen, and I'm pretty sure it won't ever be on display in a museum.


He's actually a CFII - I was curious when he mentioned that he found the right seat more comfortable:
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I could see him deciding to be his own test pilot if Wasabi walks - he's got quite a bit riding on a "successful" flight, and he's shown some degree of get-there-itis already.

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How difficult would it be to remove the wings and transport the plane to a larger airport?

is that a week long process or day long?

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How difficult would it be to remove the wings and transport the plane to a larger airport?

is that a week long process or day long?

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I can't say for certain about the raptor, but my plane can be on a trailer in about 4 hours. Now that's a trailer that has brackets that tilt the plane so it doesn't require any wide load placards or permits.


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The flatbed seems the most likely to me. He is probably not desperate enough to try to fly it himself. If he ever is, and is actually a pilot, and can actually get it to fly, then why not fly it to some other airport with favorable geography so that the test pilots can check the boxes?


Phase I operating limitations have a rather small test area defined. You are not allowed to fly outside of that area until you've flown off the 40 hours of Phase I.

I suppose can could request some type of exception to the OL, but I would be surprised if it was granted.

If he moves it, he will have to apply for a new test area.


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The flatbed seems the most likely to me. He is probably not desperate enough to try to fly it himself. If he ever is, and is actually a pilot, and can actually get it to fly, then why not fly it to some other airport with favorable geography so that the test pilots can check the boxes?


Phase I operating limitations have a rather small test area defined. You are not allowed to fly outside of that area until you've flown off the 40 hours of Phase I.

I suppose can could request some type of exception to the OL, but I would be surprised if it was granted.

If he moves it, he will have to apply for a new test area.

I thought the issue was that the runway is too short for a takeoff and landing without flying a pattern so you can abort shortly after becoming airborne. When he uses the same too short runway to launch on a trip to an airport with a longer runway, what's the point of going anywhere else? If he makes it into the air, he can wring out the flight characteristics locally, if not...
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