Nail on the head...and now we're back to marketing (real world marketing). My wife would choose an SR22 over the 421 if we had fewer dependents. She's never read an aviation rag, article, or blog...she could care less about the chute vs engines vs whatever, but what Cirrus has done previously really appeals to her. OPEX, range, max alt, efficiency, etc, are "business" decisions that aren't the "end all" for much of the owner flown world.

The chute also covers the main difference between SE and ME.
A loss of an engine in a ME you continue to a runway under power. A SE you begin a descent with an unknown outcome.
The Chute is the tool for at least a loss of power issue enroute.

Not sure if anyone's posted this video yet but it's definitely worth watching. It's serial no. 2 so it's a little rough around the edges.

https://vimeo.com/141800659


I love the overall size of the SF50 and the cockpit looks drool worthy. Plus the V-tail makes it special. I wish Beech had the money and vision to make a modern jet-powered Bonanza equivalent.

I think this is really the most impressive part of the whole story. The Klapmeiers, and particularly Dale, had the entrepreneurial vision and courage to put the SF50 development project out there and then to basically risk the company to achieve it. This is the kind of behavior that has made America what it is and also the sort of thing that the Wright Brothers, Walter Beech, Clyde Cessna and a host of other risk taking aviation entrepreneurs did to create aviation as a practical means of travel in the first place. Yes there are new products coming to the market in aviation today designed, produced and marketed by huge companies. But in general they are huge airplanes.

These huge gambles don't work out a lot of the time - witness Vern Rayburn for example (well didn't for him anyway) - but when they do we are all better off for it. This is the biggest reason I am pulling for the SF50 VISION Jet to be successful. While we can argue its merits I frankly don't understand why any aviation loving pilot wouldn't be rooting for its success.

Forgive me if it has already been mentioned, but any ideas on the minimum deployment altitude of the chute?
On the piston Cirri, is there a max speed?

Honestly, after watching that video it is hilarious to me how completely astonishingly wrong the naysayers are here. This is exactly the aircraft most customers want - and it will create customers that don't exist now.

Yup, this is gonna get rich quad-copter pilots involved in flying since it has a chute and is easy to fly



























I kid, I kid!

I think this is really the most impressive part of the whole story. The Klapmeiers, and particularly Dale, had the entrepreneurial vision and courage to put the SF50 development project out there and then to basically risk the company to achieve it. This is the kind of behavior that has made America what it is and also the sort of thing that the Wright Brothers, Walter Beech, Clyde Cessna and a host of other risk taking aviation entrepreneurs did to create aviation as a practical means of travel in the first place. Yes there are new products coming to the market in aviation today designed, produced and marketed by huge companies. But in general they are huge airplanes.

These huge gambles don't work out a lot of the time - witness Vern Rayburn for example (well didn't for him anyway) - but when they do we are all better off for it. This is the biggest reason I am pulling for the SF50 VISION Jet to be successful. While we can argue its merits I frankly don't understand why any aviation loving pilot wouldn't be rooting for its success.

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100 % i agree . Cirrus owner do not put their money into Wall Street or in China, they make nice aviation product made in the USA , good luck to them.

I think this is really the most impressive part of the whole story. The Klapmeiers, and particularly Dale, had the entrepreneurial vision and courage to put the SF50 development project out there and then to basically risk the company to achieve it. This is the kind of behavior that has made America what it is and also the sort of thing that the Wright Brothers, Walter Beech, Clyde Cessna and a host of other risk taking aviation entrepreneurs did to create aviation as a practical means of travel in the first place. Yes there are new products coming to the market in aviation today designed, produced and marketed by huge companies. But in general they are huge airplanes.

These huge gambles don't work out a lot of the time - witness Vern Rayburn for example (well didn't for him anyway) - but when they do we are all better off for it. This is the biggest reason I am pulling for the SF50 VISION Jet to be successful. While we can argue its merits I frankly don't understand why any aviation loving pilot wouldn't be rooting for its success.

The video is fantastic. I want one now.

Comparing all new options, this certainly stands alone for price / performance. The challenge is that it will also compete against used a/c. For $700K less, you can get into a used C2 TBM with far more range.

Still, I really like the market segment they've carved out. I believe it will be a great success. Just watch out for plummeting SR22 values when enough Visions get to the market.

I hope so

Re the piston question:
There was a demonstrated speed listed, but now, the CAPS activation procedure has been changed:

1. COVER......REMOVE

2. HANDLE......PULL

No longer does it include any mention of slowing down! If you need to pull, then PULL!

There have been pulls at 168, 171, 187 and 190 KIAS based on recorded data. So, there is confidence that it works up to Vne of 200 KIAS.

FWIW, I never fly with the cover on. I don't want anything in the way if the time comes. Although it's only velcroed on.

I dont think it stands alone for price/performance. You can buy a TBM, a Mu2, an Eclipse, an older CJ or a Commander and get to the same price/performance point or even better.


It stands alone for being a jet that has the stall speed of a piston single, dead-simple engine management and a fully integrated garmin cockpit familiar to the pilots who are the target market. And that's why it will sell.

I dont think we will see charter operators or even larger corporations buying these. I do think we will see many people flying piston twins or SR22s for business switching to vision jets. With bonus depreciation and permanent 179 expensing back in the picture, we will see a good number of these getting sold in the next 3-4 years. I am not even sure that the current position holders will be the buyers, some of them may have moved on or are not in a position to use their position.

It's a jet with a chute! And it looks like a car inside!

That's really the beginning and the end of it.

It seems like Cirrus might be alone in thinking first about what the customer wants, even about customers who aren't yet interested in aviation might want. And having customers is the most important metric of success in any business - not something aviation companies have historically understood very well.

The rest just tell us why they are wrong - while Cirrus ran away with an entire category.

And why wouldn't charter operators use these? Their customers will prefer them over clown planes with props. And it has a freaking chute - which literally astounds and comforts and thrills non-pilots.