BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 00:48

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Airspace designations alone are more than most people are willing to keep up with. How many different kinds do we have now? 15, 20, 25?

Five.

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If you live near or in a big city (and most of us do) you are going to have to deal with Class B, or fly ridiculously circuitous routes to get in and out. To a regular flyer these complications are background, a part of the challenge that makes flying interesting. But for most people it's simply too much.

Class B has pretty much the same rules as TCA's did 25 years ago. Same size too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 09:07

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Boy, this thread sounds like the history of the Roman empire, Oh sorry I mean the American Empire. Centralize the masses, that works :thumbup:

Overregulation and too many lawyers. That is great. :sad:

Dull the masses with FB, instagram, twitter. :crazy:

"Hey guys remember when we used to fly airplanes." You did what? Why?

"Yeah, now we just pretend to fly them on the computer until the computer quits, then we hit CTRL-ALT-Delete and it is all good."

I am a thirty something pilot and I can not believe how the world has changed.

Please remember not all change is good.

BTW great thread. It was getting dull around here.

When I was learning to fly in the 60s in Colorado. there were still a couple of low frequency range stations active. We would tune them in on the T-34s coffee grinder radio
and try to keep a steady tone in the helmet.
They were state of the art before the miracle of VOR. Both the Germans and British did some very accurate bombing (if you considered hitting a zip code to be accurate). Using LFRR.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 09:40

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That's not GA. Times change Todd. Been changing since the beginning of time.

Nobody lives in the country anymore. You're the oldest young guy I know. Live in the now man.

Define "country". I live in an agricultural area, you would likely call it rural, or country, and fly into "city folk" areas each day. I get to make bank off the city slickers and then go have dinner with my family in an area where I don't have to worry about whether my home security system is on or not.

I'm doing my part to stimulate the economy and increase GA operations at my little, yet very cool, small town airport.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 10:36

Is there any way to search twins by engine type?

If the prices really have gotten down to "scrap" value, could one buy twins that have the same engine as some popular singles and make any money?

Heck, maybe just pickle and store the engines and use them on your own ship as needed. Disassemble and sell the rest of the airplane. Maybe keep some old avionics to use as needed, too. Sort of like having a "parts car".

If you have the space, does it make any sense?

Also, back to the engine type, maybe it's not a big deal to change between some designations... I don't really know...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 10:38

Username Protected wrote:

Is there any way to search twins by engine type?

If the prices really have gotten down to "scrap" value, could one buy twins that have the same engine as some popular singles and make any money?

Heck, maybe just pickle and store the engines and use them on your own ship as needed. Disassemble and sell the rest of the airplane. Maybe keep some old avionics to use as needed, too. Sort of like having a "parts car".

If you have the space, does it make any sense?

Also, back to the engine type, maybe it's not a big deal to change between some designations... I don't really know...

If you can store it on the cheap, it's very viable.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 10:57

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If you can store it on the cheap, it's very viable.

I would think the smart thing to do would be to get it in pieces ASAP. Engines and Avionics store "easy".

Get the airframe, gear, etc stripped and sold quickly or scrap it out. Storing wings, control surfaces, gear, etc may or may not be practical depending upon the space one has available. After all, if the twin market is crashing, I'd guess the spare parts market ain't doing much better.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 11:26

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Why types of A/C is it packed with? C172s, SE Pipers, Bo's?

Or Citations, C421Cs, Gulfstreams, and others that are business tools?

What difference does it make? All GA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 11:27

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Define "country". I live in an agricultural area, you would likely call it rural, or country, and fly into "city folk" areas each day. I get to make bank off the city slickers and then go have dinner with my family in an area where I don't have to worry about whether my home security system is on or not.

I'm doing my part to stimulate the economy and increase GA operations at my little, yet very cool, small town airport.

Check out where my home airport is. I'm a farmer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 11:28

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Objection your honor. The witness did not answer the question.

It was mostly turbines. But all buying gas from an FBO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 12:48

Username Protected wrote:

Airspace designations alone are more than most people are willing to keep up with. How many different kinds do we have now? 15, 20, 25?

Five.

Quote:

If you live near or in a big city (and most of us do) you are going to have to deal with Class B, or fly ridiculously circuitous routes to get in and out. To a regular flyer these complications are background, a part of the challenge that makes flying interesting. But for most people it's simply too much.

Class B has pretty much the same rules as TCA's did 25 years ago. Same size too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 12:52

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Objection your honor. The witness did not answer the question.

It was mostly turbines. But all buying gas from an FBO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 12:53

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Maybe I'm not using the correct terminology. VFR pilots are expected to know each of the following and the different limitations for each. I'm not positive this list is complete. I think there are some new marine conservation areas in California?
A
B
C
D
E below 10k
E above 10k
G below 1200 day
G below 1200 night
G above 1200 day
G above 1200 night
G below 1200 and above 10k
MOA
Prohib
Restr
Warning
Alert
ADIZ
CFA
NSA
MTR
TFRs
TRSAs
SFRAs
FRZs
Flight Free Zones
Mode C veils
Special Conservation Areas
VFR Flyways
IFR routes (near major airports)
VFR Transition Routes

I get around 30.

Jim

You need an iPad, just click on the little circle and it tells you what it is. :peace:

Technology is your friend

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 12:56

I do and I know these areas. Not my point though. Flying is becoming very complex - which makes it very daunting for someone who is looking for a part-time recreational pursuit.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 13:27

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I try my hardest not to back up Crandall because of his skewed view against twins, which have been proven time and time again to be safer than singles, but......

Jason is a shining example of using an airplane for GA. He's also a huge advocate of GA. He's always flying for either business or pleasure and traverses the country at random without any restriction. I'd say that's as GA as GA gets. He just happens to burn Jet-A. He may one return and burn Avgas if it's still around.

Me personally I would rather have an airport be surrounded by heavy metal 'Business GA airplanes' than have none at all.

I've burned a ton of Avgas in my life too. I used my Bonanza the same way I use the Pilatus I just fly farther now.

I think the future of GA is JetA. I think efficiencies and the number of simpler turbine airplanes being built now will trickle down and get cheaper.

Old Citations is a good example. Cheap to buy, expensive to fly. Soon I think you'll have cheap to buy and fly when Cirrus Jets and TBMs and PC12s keep trickling down.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Oct 2014, 13:38

JetA will be the future of GA, that's the problem. Only a very small percentage of the population will be able to afford it. GA will get smaller.

Twin Prices Crashing