FWIW, for those not familiar with the myriad FAA requirements to certify an aircraft. We are looking at the "aero/spin and flutter test bird"....actually no requirement to spin, but it must pass certain hi AOA tests especially with the T tail....note the orange round thing on the tail....
The funny thing on the winglet someone asked about is probably the exciters , used for flutter testing.

Hey, if they did not want anyone to see the airplane why didn't they just stay on their side of the field? Maybe they were doing compatibility tests with the GPU???
OBTW, the 420 N number might reflect the cost times 10K.???

Perrin,

-- twin vs single
-- more or less efficient
-- old/used vs new

These are the same old discussions that we have about any airplane...

To each his own.

That is like saying if you can afford to fly a 182, then you don't have to worry about the cost of flying a King Air.

I have a couple friends who own Citations, but a Gulfstream would literally bankrupt them.

I don't like this idea that if you fly jet, you shouldn't care what things cost.

That is like saying if you can afford to fly a 182, then you don't have to worry about the cost of flying a King Air.

I have a couple friends who own Citations, but a Gulfstream would literally bankrupt them.

I don't like this idea that if you fly jet, you shouldn't care what things cost.

Actually operating costs are very important to these people... They have, or create, a business reason to buy and depreciate the airplane, and then write an agreement to use the airplane for personal reasons based on operating costs.

The purchase price is with pre-tax $$$ Much of the operating costs are with after tax $$$ and the way things are headed, you can spend lots of pre-tax $$$ to save after tax $$$...

As for the "if you can afford a jet...." statement... If you can afford to TN an A-36, why wouldn't you buy a Duke for less money that is pressurized and more comfortable? Short answer, because most of the jet people got their money the same way most of us piston people did. Hard work and wise spending.....

I must be the only Guy who lets emotion play a HUGE part in a Airplane or Car buying decision.

Being a 'Gear Head' type i already know or have researched the nuts and bolts of whatever I want to buy but how I like something is important in the mix.

Example---V-Tails, now I know all the arguements for a 36 and I suppose most are true BUT to me the best 36 still looks like a Bonanza Station Wagon compared to a V-Tail therefore my decison the buy a 35 would be an emotional one.
When I open my hanger door I want to be happy and if there was a 210 setting there I couldn't stand the looks of the thing in spite of it's merits.
Yes I know I'm shallow what can i say.

I didn't say care, I said worry, two different things to me at least.

That is like saying if you can afford to fly a 182, then you don't have to worry about the cost of flying a King Air.

I have a couple friends who own Citations, but a Gulfstream would literally bankrupt them.

I don't like this idea that if you fly jet, you shouldn't care what things cost.

I'm the same way.... I won't fly an ugly plane, and I'd hop in that Cirrus in a heartbeat!

We are talking about aircraft here !

I love this. I think we should all listen to Doug and state that buying and flying a Duke is not wise.

Tim who is about to be !#$@#!23 by Doug for twisting his statement.

I love this. I think we should all listen to Doug and state that buying and flying a Duke is not wise.

Tim who is about to be !#$@#!23 by Doug for twisting his statement.

I love Dukes, if you have a mission that fits a Duke, there is NO better or more economical airplane that will fill that role. The Duke burns the same gas, goes the same speed as a C-421 and is a lower maintenance airplane. Which cost 1/2- 1/3 as much to buy... If you don't need the payload, the Duke wins hands down.....

and....

Tim,

You should sleep with one eye open, because I am patient, and I will get even.... You might invest in a rear-view mirror, because while you think that Aerostar is fast, I fly lots of stuff that is faster.

And, You have never been "Hot Nosed" until you have been Hot Nosed by some of the toys I fly.....

So the next time you are cruising comfortably in that Aerostar, imagine what would go through your mind if instantly, and without warning, your windscreen was full of the top side of a P-51 or a Corsair going vertical and then before you can get out a peep, you smash into the wake turbulence of same.....

And then as quickly as it happened it is over and you are rattled and wondering, knowing full well that I have a bore sight on your bird and am just waiting for the shock to wear off and your senses to dull a bit so I can do it again.....

Have a nice day, and

Check six......

I don't think I'll mess with Doug, at least until I can afford a fast jet, so he can't catch me.

Rick