Extremely aggressive post for someone who doesn't seem to have the facts in hand.

The laser cut parts were provided by Van's to the assembler in the PI. According to the prior post, the company in the PI is sending assemblers to the US to help fix some of the LCP issues in quickbuild kits.

Nothing else in your post relates to the involvement of the folks from the PI.

Extremely aggressive post for someone who doesn't seem to have the facts in hand.

The laser cut parts were provided by Van's to the assembler in the PI. According to the prior post, the company in the PI is sending assemblers to the US to help fix some of the LCP issues in quickbuild kits.

Nothing else in your post relates to the involvement of the folks from the PI.

So much for Van's doing the right thing here..

I don't understand this. Neither of us knows the specifics or extent of the work they are doing or the quality of their work. Why do you automatically assume they aren't doing the right thing?

Why didn't the company in the PI flag up the issues with the parts?

A bit odd to build them into assemblies and ship them to the US where they apparently now want to send people to fix them.

Or did they flag the issues and Vans said it was ok, carry on?

No telling about the communications between Van's and the subcontractor. But Van's did tell "normal" builders to build on with the defective parts for months after the problems with the laser cut parts were pointed out. One could assume the direction to the QB assemblers was the same.

That was their biggest failing, IMO. A problem was identified and they <seemingly> ignored it for months. By the time they addressed the problem, lots of those parts were out in the field, many already installed in airframes.

This is 100% on Vans and the LCP supplier, not the Philippine company. The LCP suppliers cut corners, Van's ignored the warnings and made the problem much bigger than it was.

LCP is not on the company in the Philippines, but the previous issues leading up to the LCP issue (corrosion & primer issues), which have played a critical part in getting Van's where they're at today, the quickbuild vendor seems to have some responsibility.

What damages do they think they can claim? “Yerhonner, we wasted a lot of time on our hobby and even after they give us new parts we have to spend even more time on our hobby.”

What damages do they think they can claim? “Yerhonner, we wasted a lot of time on our hobby and even after they give us new parts we have to spend even more time on our hobby.”

Dan, you should absolutely expect to either receive new parts (which, I believe, is the plan) or reimbursement (which seems doubtful in the bankruptcy situation).

But that's different than filing a claim for damages or lost time.

Agreed.

Many (most?) company founders didn’t take “business 101”. If they had, they probably wouldn’t have achieved their success. They operate from their gut. Experiences. Principle. Remember “The A & B students work for the C students” adage. They’re risk takers starting with little to lose. The formula works great until it doesn’t. ‘They only know what they know.’ I disdain that phrase, but it’s so true. Hiccups or even failure are often associated with change. They built the business, and grew the business based on their experiences and vision. Introduce factors outside the realm of their experiences, and BAM! Thats where Business 101 and professional management could’ve made the difference. My $0.02

I'm totally fine getting new parts, I'm just not hearing anything from Vans about the process for getting them or the timeframe for when they should arrive.

New vans video out after some testing with laser cut parts cracks.

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