BeechTalk - BT - Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 20:59

Username Protected wrote:

Yes, at 1,000 lbs below gross and temp below about 80F.

CJ3 carries around 4700 lbs of fuel. You can get around 1000 nm with 3500 lbs of fuel to your first fuel stop.

I had 6 plus bags plus wine on board 2 weeks ago flying out of Angwin. Flew all the way back to Atlanta non stop.... 2000NM

1000Lbs under gross in the CJ3 defeats the purpose for using the airport.. Now you gotta stop for gas.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:07

Username Protected wrote:

I had 6 plus bags plus wine on board 2 weeks ago flying out of Angwin. Flew all the way back to Atlanta non stop.... 2000NM

1000Lbs under gross in the CJ3 defeats the purpose for using the airport.. Now you gotta stop for gas.

Does Angwin even have jet fuel? It doesn't look like they do.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:11

Username Protected wrote:

Does Angwin even have jet fuel? It doesn't look like they do.

No. I filled up on the way out. You'd have to stop on the way out in the CJ3 also..

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:15

All the rest of the options just do not work Jason...2000 mile trip in yours :clap:

If you buy sumpin else you are doing it because "The secretary across the isle is HOT"
The current is really really awesum though and you know it

But,
Lets say your net worth is $1300
Larry Winget says your "Broke cuz you want to be"

Your water heater goes out and you have a car wreck you are in deep cockKa

OK, now lets say you are worth 30-40-69.3M...PLUS (big friggin deal)
The money tree is still producing mo

It really doesn't matter

Six or Eighteen months from now driving your boat on a beautiful sunset evening and looking back...regardless of your route

No rong answer

Phenom 300....U could
CJ3...on the list
EPIC...would be on my watch list if you
Avanti...gotta take Adam for a ride

Current PC12.....Yup...still smiling.....especially going to ST Barths :drool:

my 2 cents.....
worth 3 green stamps

upgrade yours

nothing better unless you want to ride in the back

Pilots don't ride in the back

:cheers:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:18

Username Protected wrote:

No. I filled up on the way out. You'd have to stop on the way out in the CJ3 also..

Ok. I get it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:21

Username Protected wrote:

No. I filled up on the way out. You'd have to stop on the way out in the CJ3 also..

Ok. I get it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:26

Username Protected wrote:

my 2 cents.....
worth 3 green stamps

upgrade yours

nothing better unless you want to ride in the back

Pilots don't ride in the back

:cheers:

Since learning more about my own airplane I am leaning this direction only because I do believe big changes are coming to PC12 and it will also give more time for more PC24's and SF50's to be delivered which I believe will drive the single pilot jet market down.... and I do still like my Pilatus.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:33

I think once Cessna is producing the Denali, used PC12 values will fall. They will no longer be propped up by limited availability of new.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:37

Username Protected wrote:

I'll try to be as politically correct as possible:
An analogy of your situation can me made with, say, a "significant other" that you've had for a good while. She (he) does your laundry, cooks your meals, goes with you anytime you wish, (or not), but she (he) is not looking as spicy as at the beginning. The sex thing is blah, notwithstanding whatever is tried. You are bored out of your gourd, a common occurrence with type A personalities. Now, a smoking hot secretary across the hall catches your fancy. You are fascinated with the thought of way greater performance, regardless of the length of the "trip"; a great ego boost when you parade her (or him, jeez) in the best restaurants, and the irresistible allure of "new smell". (Regardless of cost). The downside of this is that when that new relationship comes to a dissolution, your net worth will be lowered by way more than 10%.
Ergo, get the jet. You know you want it, and no one deserves it more than you. The ego boost is comparable on the ramp, and will stay a great chick magnet. Furthermore, you can terminate that jet relationship with a wave of the pen, and it will be way less fiscally impacting.
YOLO.

Yup. Perfect analogy.

I was recently in this exact situation with a girl. I was totally in love. I was ready to give up everything to make her mine. She was all I could think about. I called my buddy and asked what I should do. I told him "but I'm in love". He said "I think you should just f$%^ her a few more times and be done with it...... By then you'll have it out of your system". I followed his advice and he was right. I've never been happier. She ended up being a total pain in the ass.

Does being gun-shy of problems mean I'm low on testosterone? I'm thinking about going and getting checked.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:40

Username Protected wrote:

I think once Cessna is producing the Denali, used PC12 values will fall. They will no longer be propped up by limited availability of new.

Yes I agree.

The question is....

When will the Denali start delivering?

How good will the Denali be?

How good will Pilatus’s answer to the Denali be?

The Denali is a clean sheet airplane and a clean sheet motor both requiring certification.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 21:55

I hope the readership can admit this bit of thread drift:
Biostatistically it is unlikely that you are low on testosterone. A very simple assay of your T level can be obtained by noting your mental and physiologic reaction to a new woman of interest. That saves you the lab and shrink fees.
Good call on listening to your buddy's counsel. Serial monogamy is the best policy; and in all fairness, the other party is well-served when they know the score at the onset of the affair.
It has always been interesting how they seem to develop selective amnesia when the disentanglement is near... then they can get pretty nasty.
Best wishes, Jason

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 22:19

Username Protected wrote:

3 hours at altitude sucks !!

No it isn’t, look out the window of the everchanging glory around you!

And be happy you’re not putting caps on pop bottles for a living.

Murray

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 22:23

Wow!!! An honest one in the bunch.......... Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2018, 23:40

Username Protected wrote:

Just curious, what would be the equivalent pucker factor for runway length with a PC12 if 3900' is the lower limit for a CJ3 or P300?
2500, 1800? :shrug:

When we're empty going to KHOU, landing 13R I vacate at H. That's right at 900ft from the numbers.
If you go crazy on the brakes, you can stop in about 600-700ft.
Takeoff, 1700ish ft. Less if you're not at MTOW.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Nov 2018, 01:42

Username Protected wrote:

It's really beside the point....

For the CJ3 to use Angwin airport it would need to be 1000Lbs under gross according to Allen. CJ3 only has 800Lb full fuel payload in the first place which already isn't going to hold 6 people and bags. Now minus 1000Lbs from that and it's just me and a bottle of wine left on board.

This doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a CJ3. I still love the CJ3. I would just change my flying habits. Not carry as many people with me.

You’d never be full fuel departing Angwin because they don’t have fuel. Depart half fuel (down 2300lbs) and that gives plenty of payload available. Make a fuel stop on your route within your 1/2 full range.

Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering options..