BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:35

Username Protected wrote:

Those examples were illustrating times when the controllers would get busier.

That’s the point poping up announced stresses the system.

You want FF during the busiest time of the day? Don’t get mad when they say no and definitely don’t go off your IFR flight plan to save a few minutes.

That's a backpedal.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:36

Username Protected wrote:

Define better?

Why do you feel you shouldn't have to be vectored around VFR traffic on a VMC day simply because you're talking to ATC?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:42

Username Protected wrote:

Define better?

Why do you feel you shouldn't have to be vectored around VFR traffic on a VMC day simply because you're talking to ATC?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:42

Username Protected wrote:

Those examples were illustrating times when the controllers would get busier.

That’s the point poping up announced stresses the system.

You want FF during the busiest time of the day? Don’t get mad when they say no and definitely don’t go off your IFR flight plan to save a few minutes.

That's a backpedal.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:43

I’m not the one asking for FF. I do monitor freqs when cruising by VFR.

The point is, its not easier for everyone to be in the system (which is what my post was responding to). If it was, they would never say no.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:46

Username Protected wrote:

I don’t think all the people in the VFR guys way should be vectored around him.

One airplane can cause problems for many airplanes. That’s my problem.

Blundering across an arrival or departure path can impact hundreds of people so one guy can fly his vfr flight path.

You can cancel below 18K' too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:47

Username Protected wrote:

I’m not the one asking for FF. I do monitor freqs when cruising by VFR.

The point is, its not easier for everyone to be in the system (which is what my post was responding to). If it was, they would never say no.

You can't be any more clear. I hear controllers turning down VFR-FF all the time......

Case closed IMO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:52

Username Protected wrote:

I’m not the one asking for FF. I do monitor freqs when cruising by VFR.

The point is, its not easier for everyone to be in the system (which is what my post was responding to). If it was, they would never say no.

Every body Popping up unexpected during busy times would be like everyone calling the police at the same time.

In my experience controllers do a great job of accommodating FF request.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:55

Username Protected wrote:

I don’t think all the people in the VFR guys way should be vectored around him.

One airplane can cause problems for many airplanes. That’s my problem.

Blundering across an arrival or departure path can impact hundreds of people so one guy can fly his vfr flight path.

You can cancel below 18K' too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:55

Username Protected wrote:

Why do you feel you shouldn't have to be vectored around VFR traffic on a VMC day simply because you're talking to ATC?

I don’t think all the people in the VFR guys way should be vectored around him.

One airplane can cause problems for many airplanes. That’s my problem.

Blundering across an arrival or departure path can impact hundreds of people so one guy can fly his vfr flight path.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:56

Username Protected wrote:

In my experience controllers do a great job of accommodating FF request.

Ha. yeah right.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:56

Username Protected wrote:

What’s your point?

I can't be any more clear.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 20:58

Username Protected wrote:

If ATC was talking to the VFR traffic, a simple heading change would fix it.

ATC can't tell VFR traffic which way to fly.

Come on down to South Florida and try and tell all the VFR traffic to get off the arrival corridor. Good luck. It's a pain in my ass but I'm glad I live in a country where you can just fly around.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 21:30

Username Protected wrote:

Kaboom!!

No kaboom, I said if you were anything but IFR you are more of a pain, that includes flight following. They often deny request for FF because they have to load you in the system and keep up with another track, doing so on the fly so to speak.

Did your instructor not make you go to the tower and hang out with ATC?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 21:34

Username Protected wrote:

I don’t think all the people in the VFR guys way should be vectored around him.

One airplane can cause problems for many airplanes. That’s my problem.

Blundering across an arrival or departure path can impact hundreds of people so one guy can fly his vfr flight path.

You can cancel below 18K' too.

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