Cirrus has a track record of certifying new designs, are well backed financially and they will see this through. Deliveries will be much later than expected, it will cost much more than expected, and the performance will be less than expected. That said, it will be more efficient than anything else in its class, will have an awesome safety record, and it will sell well. It will also setup Cirrus to be years out in front as the rest of the manufacturers play catchup, just like they are now with TBM and Pilatus.

What is its class? Owner flown transport? VLJ? SEJ? Piston step up? I am having trouble with what I am allowed to compare it with to.

The class is single engine VLJs.

Any 5-7 pax turbine. KingAir C90, TBM 900, Cessna mustang, smaller Lears, etc

What is its class? Owner flown transport? VLJ? SEJ? Piston step up? I am having trouble with what I am allowed to compare it with to.

The fact that it is difficult to understand is what may make it a paradigm shift. Cirrus has successfully marketed an ecosystem around their products and has also been successful at promoting shared ownership. If they were able to convince 160 people to sink 750K for an SR22T in 2014 (the cost of a used [fill in the blank]), there is a good chance they will be successful selling these to individuals and shared ownership outfits like PlaneSmart.

People who buy used airplanes - MU2s, Twin Commanders, pressurized twin Cessna, you name it - may not understand why anyone would spend 750K for a 4-5 seat piston single, let alone 1.5-2M for a SEJ. If they get it certified, I place my bets on the side that it will be successful.

Single engine VLJ,
Lol, yes they have the whole market to them.

As for being efficient I dont see it.
I dont see the SETP market being crowded, there is only one doing over 300 kts TAS and its the TBM 900 on around 60 gph.

Cirrus seems pretty clear on their target market...

http://cirrusaircraft.com/aircraft/vision-sf50/

Cirrus seems pretty clear on their target market...

http://cirrusaircraft.com/aircraft/vision-sf50/

Sure - doing 300 kts on 60 gph and nearly 4M dollars. Personally I'll take a PC12 at that price point. Oh, that's right - there are options in the SETP market!

Maybe you're right SEJs are a stupid idea - someone with a track record of selling 5000 airplanes thinks otherwise.

Where did you read $4MM?

I'm reading $2.2MM

If ti is $4MM you're right. You can get a HondaJet for $4MM.

Where did you read $4MM?

I'm reading $2.2MM

If ti is $4MM you're right. You can get a HondaJet for $4MM.

So can we start a discussion about the crazy concept of a chute in a pressurized airplane?
I mean we have a whole another hundred pages to go before the golf game gets going!

Tim

The Jetson's was a popular cartoon back in the day. Back to the future was a pretty cool movie. Both were successful because they captured peoples imaginations. Both were innovative and had flying cars. Watch the SF50 video again. Think about every new and used plane on the market today and ask yourself, which one of them would a 12 year old be most likely to get in, start up and fly somewhere without killing himself.

There's your answer about whether the SF50 will make it in the market.

Range, efficiency and what a 40 year old plane will do better for less $$$ become background noise to that concept.

I'm starting to save up for the beer and tacos... I think I might lose this one! And that's a shame since Kiawah Island seems like a golf course I'd like to visit.