16 Nov 2025, 12:52 [ UTC - 5; DST ]
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 23:43 |
|
 |

|
|
Joined: 12/28/17 Posts: 804 Post Likes: +385 Company: Bellanca Aircraft Location: Washington, OK
Aircraft: 17-30A
|
|
Username Protected wrote: The guy's putting out a lot of videos. The latest today shows a groundspeed at rotation of about 10-11 knots faster than indicated air speed. Takes him 22 long seconds to get to 75 knots ground speed. Another major problem he has ignored is his pitot tube placement. 22 seconds is stupid, I think a loaded 747 accelerates harder than that.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 02:40 |
|
 |

|
|
Joined: 03/15/16 Posts: 441 Post Likes: +349 Location: NC
Aircraft: Looking for one
|
|
|
Based on today's video, getting the front wheel off and maybe the right side, he's going to have this thing in the air. I would want a much longer runway to do any ground effect flying. I think this may end before the test pilots get back to check it out.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 06:39 |
|
 |

|
|
 |
Joined: 02/28/17 Posts: 1353 Post Likes: +1437 Location: Panama City, FL
Aircraft: Velocity XL-RG
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Another major problem he has ignored is his pitot tube placement. What's wrong with where the pitot tube is?
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 07:47 |
|
 |

|
|
Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 16902 Post Likes: +28707 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
Aircraft: A33
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Based on today's video, getting the front wheel off and maybe the right side, he's going to have this thing in the air. I would want a much longer runway to do any ground effect flying. I think this may end before the test pilots get back to check it out. he does appear to have a bit of a howard hughes complex going on there, doesn't he ? of course hughes had 1000 engineers working on his projects
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 09:23 |
|
 |

|

|
Joined: 03/05/14 Posts: 2951 Post Likes: +3132 Company: WA Aircraft Location: Fort Worth, TX (T67)
Aircraft: 1969 Bonanza E33C
|
|
Username Protected wrote: The guy's putting out a lot of videos. The latest today shows a groundspeed at rotation of about 10-11 knots faster than indicated air speed. Takes him 22 long seconds to get to 75 knots ground speed. Another major problem he has ignored is his pitot tube placement. 22 seconds is stupid, I think a loaded 747 accelerates harder than that.
Well yea! It weighs over ton and a half EMPTY and only has around 300 HP.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 10:27 |
|
 |

|
|
 |
Joined: 09/21/13 Posts: 2177 Post Likes: +1383 Location: Wausau WI - KAUW
Aircraft: H35
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Another major problem he has ignored is his pitot tube placement. What's wrong with where the pitot tube is?
On his ground roll tests, GPS is reading about 10 knots faster than his indicated airspeed at ~70 knots. Given the acceleration isn't particularly brisk and over a longer roll, I can't imagine GPS is that far off...so it seems like his IAS is reading low.
_________________ Be nice - Jim H Be nice, be kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-) - Doug R
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 13:44 |
|
 |

|
|
 |
Joined: 11/06/10 Posts: 12191 Post Likes: +3075 Company: Looking Location: Outside Boston, or some hotel somewhere
Aircraft: None
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Let's say for a minute that this Raptor prototype flies successfully.
Is there any realistic way to get a production version down to a reasonable empty weight? Start over. Tim
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 14:27 |
|
 |

|
|
Joined: 02/25/16 Posts: 288 Post Likes: +170 Location: Tupelo, MS
Aircraft: 182R
|
|
|
Distance from the end of the runway to the windsock is 2500ft. This thing is going to need a 10000ft runway for testing
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 15:02 |
|
 |

|
|
 |
Joined: 08/26/15 Posts: 10036 Post Likes: +10031 Company: airlines (*CRJ,A320) Location: Florida panhandle
Aircraft: Travel Air,T-6B,etc*
|
|
That airspeed-groundspeed difference does seem like a bit much. The TAS correction at 75KIAS on these runs is about 3 knots (maybe 1 or 2 more than that if you want to account for humidity), certainly not 10~ish. The altimeter reading looks pretty steady during the runs and that suggests his static port placement is pretty good (the altimeter reading drops about 40' after he chops the power; this could be a minor concern in flight or it could just be a side effect that happens only when this airplane is on the ground). It would probably be worth his while to temporarily use one of those extra long pitot tubes that are common in flight test.  At the beginning of the video he say something about the local time being a few minutes after 8 on a Sunday morning: KCNI 191330Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 27/22 A3017 RMK AO2 KCNI 191310Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 26/22 A3017 RMK AO2 KCNI 191250Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 25/23 A3017 RMK AO2
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 16:10 |
|
 |

|
|
 |
Joined: 09/21/13 Posts: 2177 Post Likes: +1383 Location: Wausau WI - KAUW
Aircraft: H35
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Distance from the end of the runway to the windsock is 2500ft. This thing is going to need a 10000ft runway for testing It is interesting - he referenced that they were targeting 85kts for initial tests. That's going to start to push any accelerate-and-stop distances at his 5000' runway. He's basically at 75kts by midfield...and the faster speeds will eat more runway, so 75->85 will be...sporty. Losing some weight would help...but as mentioned, that'll be a tough one at this point in the project.  EDIT - and for extra irony, one would want the AC off for max power (and to minimize non-essential systems) during testing anyway... 
_________________ Be nice - Jim H Be nice, be kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-) - Doug R
|
|
| Top |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
Terms of Service | Forum FAQ | Contact Us
BeechTalk, LLC is the quintessential Beechcraft Owners & Pilots Group providing a
forum for the discussion of technical, practical, and entertaining issues relating to all Beech aircraft. These include
the Bonanza (both V-tail and straight-tail models), Baron, Debonair, Duke, Twin Bonanza, King Air, Sierra, Skipper, Sport, Sundowner,
Musketeer, Travel Air, Starship, Queen Air, BeechJet, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets.
BeechTalk, LLC is not affiliated or endorsed by the Beechcraft Corporation, its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Beechcraft™, King Air™, and Travel Air™ are the registered trademarks of the Beechcraft Corporation.
Copyright© BeechTalk, LLC 2007-2025
|
|
|
|