After 123 pages, is there really anything new being said, or to say, other than MC is no longer saying it will never make it to market?

Edit: 124 pages

My only comment on the route was the altitude planes fly between those airports. I never said anything about the SR22 and that route.

I believe Eclipse had more than 2500 position holders. So if you compare apples to apples, Cirrus is not yet even close to Eclipse's "success".

You don't get paid if you don't deliver.

With HondaJet now certified and soon the SF50 as well as the Embraers and PC12, TBM I think the window for Eclipse is closing. If Eclipse had Garmin I think it would be a good alternative. It just has to much proprietary gear own board.

2016 is going to an interesting year for Cirrus and its supporters as well as its detractors. If Cirrus doesn't get the jet certified and delivered next year I suspect that they will lose tremendous credibility and many of the 500+ deposits will evaporate. On the other hand, if they do get certified and deliver 20-30 aircraft in 2016 as I've been told they expect to, they will be a major aviation success story. Lots of "crippled" jets flown by raving fans all over the country will probably not convince any detractors, but will more than likely stimulate additional deposits and future sales.

We'll see shortly.

Not really!

http://www.boldmethod.com/blog/video/20 ... ision-jet/

Who told you that? Curious if they have already started on the backpedaling.

The latest schedule I have is 1 delivery in 2015 (in 10 days?) and 75 deliveries in 2016.


I doubt it. The dreamers will hang on to the dream for MANY years! Witness how the Eclipse faithful held on for almost 10 years before first delivery!

To put that in perspective, my MU2 is 40 years old this year. It was 23 years old when Eclipse was founded in 1998. Think about that...

Mike C.

I don't expect they will deliver any in 2015. I don't know exactly how many they plan to deliver next year but based on conversations with one of their sales people about 1st quarter 2017 delivery it doesn't sound like it will be 75.

I'm willing to wager that they will certify and deliver a minimum of 25 units next year. Care to take a $500 wager on that with the winning bet paid to the charity of the winner's choice?

Dreamer dream. And critics criticize. Prophets put money up. Which are you?

1 year ago, one of their sales people posted this delivery schedule:

And they wrote this when I questioned how reliable this will be:

The production numbers are based on realistic assessments that combine market demand/backlog as well as manufacturing capability.
...
I will add though that you have an entire team of dedicated professionals who have been and continue to work toward and have confidence in delivering on this schedule.

So it seems you are willing to say they will "succeed" if they only fail by about 75% in 2016. Hmmm.

Mike C.

WHEN it gets certified does NOT dictate wether it will be a success or not. Granted, if it takes 10 more years it probably won't make it. But IF it gets certified in 2016......

Are we saying it won't get certified in 2016?

You're busting their chops for missing it by potentially a year when you said they would never get it certified.

While they haven't, they're likely to be closer than you were.

+1

He also said it would never be faster that 220 knots.

Not at all. I'm just willing to bet you $500 bucks they will deliver 25 next year. But, since it's for charity, I'm willing to keep the wager the same but specify that they must deliver 75 next year.

I'll even specify where you're money will be going if you like:

http://www.keithsicecoldbeverages.com

(he has a foundation raising money to purchase TOBI machines, a technology I'll bet we can both agree is outstanding).

What say you?

There is zero chance they deliver 75 next year.