Ahh, Randy Pack. Thanks for that.

Randy, I've got 3 sisters, one Mom, been married twice and had....let's say a few girlfriends. Hormonal, sniping women is a redundancy.
I agree about Jason. He's caught some flak here but none of this is personal (at least to me it's not). We have a common passion and regardless the finer points, life is about change and improvement is always change.
If the health of GA hinges on modernization we need to embrace it and if the health of GA enables us oldsters to fly our Aluminium birds let's just fly 'em and smile.

Does this mean "I'm in" or "I'm out"? Inquiring minds want to know.

Nicely put. Let's keep the discussion going!

Just curious, when did they go belly up? Sure, if they did not sell to CIGA it was likely going to happen. Yes, Cirrus did get behind on bills; but I do not recall ever seeing an article about filing for BK. Any form of it....

As for profit, they were profitable for years and were paying investors back. Then 2008 hit.
If Cirrus had not chased the Vision Jet, they likely would never have been as close to belly up as they did get.

Tim

Cirrus never filed, they were saved by the acquisition.

And somehow that's morally worse than stiffing your bondholders, screwing your employees and dumping your most valued customers? While paying bonuses to the management that got them here ..

Mooney isn't dead, just badly wounded. They didn't go bankrupt, and the factory in Kerrville is open, but they are making parts right now not airplanes. Is there a market for an $800k piston Mooney? Not since 2008. And that's getting to be a few years ago.

Mooney isn't dead, just badly wounded. They didn't go bankrupt, and the factory in Kerrville is open, but they are making parts right now not airplanes. Is there a market for an $800k piston Mooney? Not since 2008. And that's getting to be a few years ago.

Those that have problems with JC probably take exception more with his delivery than content.

Parent to Child transaction deliveries can be hard for some old Type A crusty pilots to tolerate.

However, I was impressed that he acknowledged that some are "button pushers" and some are pilots . . .


Here's to the Pilots

I can appreciate Jason's insight. He thinks differently than does most of us, who are older, and not looking for change beyond a good GPS and autopilot.

Programming and button-pushing is the future of all aviation, including GA. When Cat IIIb is available in piston singles I'd bet Cirrus would be the first adapter.

As GPS WAAS becomes accepted as truly, and in-failably, accurate, this will allow far more approaches that take planes right down to the ground without pilot input. Why not?

Why not? ???

Good Thread.

Wish I was more confident about Beech to do the right thing. They need something soon.

Fastest thing is adding LEADING technology in the form of Avionics, Passenger amenities, something.... to the existing airframes.

Next is something that burns Jet A below the King Air line, and again, with some Leading technology and performance breakthrough.

We will also be able to do that in our forty year old airplanes. We won't need a Cirrus to do that. It is Garmin leading the way not Cirrus!

Whoa. An avg. of 215kts GS and 1,400 FPM descent into Aspen in weather on the approach? Since you brought it up.....that's not nailing it.

I agree with you on the Cirrus stuff though.

+1 for sure. Beers are on me JC if you ever find yourself in South Louisiana.