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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me?  Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 14:02 |
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 14:03 |
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 14:04 |
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Replacing the windshield in any jet (or turboprop) is a major production (& expense). How does that make the EA-500 different? I wonder what the AFM manual says about it being on? Again, I have no idea. Usually it's a bird strike thing. http://www.flashcardmachine.com/norton- ... tions.htmlAfter scrolling through the above link......I found a windshield heat = "prohibited" limitation. Interesting. Guess I answered my own question. Along with the use of boots = prohibited.[/quote] I'm not sure how up to date, or out of date, the limits on the flashcard website are. Some may no longer apply.[/quote]
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 14:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Replacing the windshield in any jet (or turboprop) is a major production (& expense). How does that make the EA-500 different? The way it was explained to me by someone who maintains jets, the windshield on the Eclipse has to be taken out from the inside. This requires unbolting a lot of stuff that belongs to the panel/avionics. In other jets, the windshield is held in place from the outside using a bolted on stainless frame and clamps. All you remove on the inside is the trim to get to the electrical connectors for the windshield heat. If the only time you do that is after a bird-strike or a D-check, the amount of work is maybe not that important. If you have to do it every 100 cycles.... (which was the requirement in chapter 4 of the MM on the initial couple of serial#).
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 15:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Replacing the windshield in any jet (or turboprop) is a major production (& expense). How does that make the EA-500 different? I wonder what the AFM manual says about it being on? Again, I have no idea. Usually it's a bird strike thing. http://www.flashcardmachine.com/norton- ... tions.htmlAfter scrolling through the above link......I found a windshield heat = "prohibited" limitation. Interesting. Guess I answered my own question. Along with the use of boots = prohibited I'm not sure how up to date, or out of date, the limits on the flashcard website are. Some may no longer apply. Those flashcards are dated to aircraft that have not been upgraded to FIKI. In jets with glass windshields, heat does provide protection against birdstrike damage, but since the Eclipse windshields are not glass, there is no advantage to using windshield heat if it is not necessary. Actually windshield heat when turned on causes a slight blurr or distortion effect when looking out of the windshield. Believe it or not, the original windshields in the early Eclipse jets had cycle limits of 100 hours. I am pretty sure all of those windshields were replaced prior to Eclipse going bankrupt. Currently the windshields require replacement at 2700 flights and inspections every 900 flights. The cost to replace both wndshields is approx 80,000.00 USD
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 20:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Believe it or not, the original windshields in the early Eclipse jets had cycle limits of 100 hours. Yep, and my Cessna 340 had to have the elevator inspected every *10* hours for a while when it was new. Such is the downside of a new plane, I guess. In the case of the Eclipse, they discovered tiny stress cracks at the mounting holes in some of the development aircraft; that led to a ridiculously short life limit for windshields on the first few aircraft delivered until they redesigned the mounting system. As you noted, it's now 2700 cycles before replacement, and that may go up some more based on field experience. The windows have to withstand a pretty good differential--8.3 psi--so I guess it's just being prudent to inspect/replace on cycles rather than wait for one to crack or blow out  . Ken
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 21:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Believe it or not, the original windshields in the early Eclipse jets had cycle limits of 100 hours. Yep, and my Cessna 340 had to have the elevator inspected every *10* hours for a while when it was new. Such is the downside of a new plane, I guess. In the case of the Eclipse, they discovered tiny stress cracks at the mounting holes in some of the development aircraft; that led to a ridiculously short life limit for windshields on the first few aircraft delivered until they redesigned the mounting system. As you noted, it's now 2700 cycles before replacement, and that may go up some more based on field experience. The windows have to withstand a pretty good differential--8.3 psi--so I guess it's just being prudent to inspect/replace on cycles rather than wait for one to crack or blow out . Ken
Regarding Avidyne Eclipses, the windshield wiring is not physically connected, so they unlike NG aircraft cannot be made to work by simply uncollaring the breakers.
Not sure if the deice boots are functional, but I do seem to remember that non ETT aircraft got new boots during the ETT upgrade.
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 01:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: I just want to know if Ted passed the check ride and what I have to do to get a ride?  The world has another Eclipse pilot! Congrats TR 
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 01:41 |
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Thanks Dave. I really appreciate all your advice along the way. I passed the checkride this morning and was issued a paper license. ATP with EA-500S. We literally just parked the plane. I flew my ass off today to knock out my required mentoring flights. I am tired and happy to be home! Here is a picture taken with my instructor, Casey Jones after passing the ride. He is the former commanding officer/flight leader of the Blue Angels. Attachment: TRCAS.jpg
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 01:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thanks Dave. I really appreciate all your advice along the way.
I passed the checkride this morning and was issued a paper license. ATP with EA-500S.
We literally just parked the plane. I flew my ass off today to knock out my required mentoring flights. I am tired and happy to be home!
Here is a picture taken with my instructor, Casey Jones after passing the ride. He is the former commanding officer/flight leader of the Blue Angels. Congrats, Ted! What an exciting accomplishment.
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 03:05 |
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Cool ! Congratulations. And when again will you be in the DC area 
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Post subject: Re: anyone want to get an Eclipse 500 type rating with me? Posted: 14 Dec 2012, 03:19 |
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Congratulations!  Great thread, and seems that you hade a lot of fun. Angel
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