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Post subject: Re: FS: 2008 Pilatus PC12NG  Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 17:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Any x-rays or ndt required? That sounds spendy...how much downtime?
Is there something more to that? It is an end run to replace the wing attachment hardware without saying so? Xray? I don't think so. It's pretty straight forward from what I've seen in the shop though I'm no expert. It's not mandatory for part 91. It takes a week. I think it costs about $10K.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2008 Pilatus PC12NG Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 18:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: If I had 100mm in the bank and a 2008 pc12 and your mission profiles, I would be selling the clown plane and buying the cheapest p300 I could find and then flying the wings off it.
Yes, but what if the jet closed as many doors as it opened due to runway requirements?
I've never heard of that being a legit problem.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2008 Pilatus PC12NG Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 18:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: I've never heard of that being a legit problem. I already posted in this thread where it was a legit problem. The long runway at PDK is closed for a couple months. All the jets left. Next closest airport is 30-40 minute drive.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2008 Pilatus PC12NG Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 18:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just curious. What is the annual training requirement for Pilates or TBM. Well for pilates, at least, you need to be able to hold body parts in certain positions for some time. 
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 18:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: A 3900' runway is still adequate for a CJ3+ or P300. I like the word "adequate". But that was just one example. How about this one. https://www.airnav.com/airport/2O3
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 18:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: A 3900' runway is still adequate for a CJ3+ or P300. Just curious, what would be the equivalent pucker factor for runway length with a PC12 if 3900' is the lower limit for a CJ3 or P300? 2500, 1800? 
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 19:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not at MGTOW. Attachment: 2018-11-28_1812.png Runway 16/34 Dimensions: 3217 x 50 ft. / 981 x 15 m RUNWAY 16 Elevation: 1875.0 ft. Gradient: 0.8%
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 19:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: A 3900' runway is still adequate for a CJ3+ or P300. Just curious, what would be the equivalent pucker factor for runway length with a PC12 if 3900' is the lower limit for a CJ3 or P300? 2500, 1800?
St Barth is 2000’. Easy in PC12. There are no jets there.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 19:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Runway 16/34
Dimensions: 3217 x 50 ft. / 981 x 15 m
RUNWAY 16
Elevation: 1875.0 ft.
Gradient: 0.8% The book is one thing...... would you? Using this airport in the Pilatus saves me an hour drive.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 19:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: A 3900' runway is still adequate for a CJ3+ or P300. Just curious, what would be the equivalent pucker factor for runway length with a PC12 if 3900' is the lower limit for a CJ3 or P300? 2500, 1800?
Understand CJ3/P300 runway numbers are BFL - accelerate-go/accelerate-stop - with engine failure at V1. Actual pavement used with all engines operating will be a lot less. If you choose to operate it contrary to the AFM, with a risk profile equivalent to the PC12, you can operate out of much shorter pavement.
You are not comparing apples to apples with Part 23 takeoff performance vs. Part 25 takeoff performance.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 19:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Runway 16/34
Dimensions: 3217 x 50 ft. / 981 x 15 m
RUNWAY 16
Elevation: 1875.0 ft.
Gradient: 0.8% The book is one thing...... would you? Using this airport in the Pilatus saves me an hour drive.
Yes, at 1,000 lbs below gross and temp below about 80F.
CJ3 carries around 4700 lbs of fuel. You can get around 1000 nm with 3500 lbs of fuel to your first fuel stop.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 20:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yes, at 1,000 lbs below gross and temp below about 80F.
CJ3 carries around 4700 lbs of fuel. You can get around 1000 nm with 3500 lbs of fuel to your first fuel stop. I had 6 plus bags plus wine on board 2 weeks ago flying out of Angwin. Flew all the way back to Atlanta non stop.... 2000NM 1000Lbs under gross in the CJ3 defeats the purpose for using the airport.. Now you gotta stop for gas.
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 20:53 |
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Jason I am looking for a PC-12 similar to what I know about your plane. Can you send me a complete specification sheet. jim@laffertyaircraft.com
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Post subject: Re: Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering optio Posted: 28 Nov 2018, 20:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: ...
I had 6 plus bags plus wine on board 2 weeks ago flying out of Angwin. Flew all the way back to Atlanta non stop.... 2000NM... Hi Jason- This has been an entertaining and educational topic. Your statement above captures exactly why I don’t think I would buy a jet for my owner-flown transportation needs, even if I had $100MM in the bank. Obviously, others have different needs and desires, and that is fine. It may not be rational, but for me flying into Angwin in my own plane to go to St. Helena is a totally different deal than flying to Napa. Regards, Bob
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