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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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Forrest,

Please give us some background and your opinion of the EVS system you have. Thanks.

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EVS is great at night, on the ground for confirmation the way is clear and in the air for seeing clouds (bumps and ice) that radar can't see.
If you are operating around terrain you'll see it better (IMO) than synthetic vision.


It can see through clouds and fog better than I can, but it isn't a magic bullet, on a precision approach I can see the lights in time to get in if the weather is at or above minimums. The FAA doesn't give me credit for my EVS. Would it help in a jam, yes it would!
If you frequent small unattended airports at night, EVS is very handy, in a SE plane EVS would give a pilot a fighting chance in the event of a night engine failure.

If you are a day VFR guy, EVS is cool but probably not worth the money.

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I flew your plane but it was day VFR so I didn't look at it too much. I'm wondering- is it sufficient to allow you to see animals that are loitering on the runway you're about to land on? That really would make it worth the money. Some of these airports are like a scene from NatGeo at night. I like to buzz the runway first, but down to minimums that's just not practical; the critters could come back while you're on the missed.


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I've never seen a deer on it, but it really shows a person.
Their body heat just lights up on the infrared.

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Forrest,

Please give us some background and your opinion of the EVS system you have. Thanks.

Mark



viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89249&hilit=EVS

Bottom Line:

EVS is great at night, on the ground for confirmation the way is clear and in the air for seeing clouds (bumps and ice) that radar can't see.
If you are operating around terrain you'll see it better (IMO) than synthetic vision.


It can see through clouds and fog better than I can, but it isn't a magic bullet, on a precision approach I can see the lights in time to get in if the weather is at or above minimums. The FAA doesn't give me credit for my EVS. Would it help in a jam, yes it would!
If you frequent small unattended airports at night, EVS is very handy, in a SE plane EVS would give a pilot a fighting chance in the event of a night engine failure.

If you are a day VFR guy, EVS is cool but probably not worth the money.



Thanks for info.

I use my Bo for business and often have night and light to occasional hard IFR. Your comment about having a chance with engine out is what prompted my query to you.

Now I have more to think about. :cheers:

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Mark,
Not sure where you are based, but if you can get to my part of the world, I'll be happy to give you a demonstration.

Forrest

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I'm representing scientific fact here.

But is buying the Aerostar cause or effect?

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Another critical question about Aerostars, can you fit a set of golf clubs in the baggage compartment?

Vince


The drivers do not fit very well in the baggage space.
I have put three travel (one men's, and two shorter ladies) sets in the baggage space with the drivers removed.

Oh, I still had the aux tank installed.

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It was just throttled back to where I could lean to peak without exceeding 1650 TIT. I think it was about 25" at 2100 RPM. Indicated was about 142 knots. At a lower altitude you could run a little more power as the TIT increases slightly at higher altitudes.
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I used to run LOP, depending on OAT and altitude I would run between 23 and 25 MAP and 2100 RPM. The fuel flow was between 12.5 and 14 per side.
Pretty consistent 180-190 KTAS.

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You guys are hilarious! Yep, I am happy with my 601P. Options for upgrades are there anytime. I particularly like the idea of EPS diesels in mine. Fast, efficient and can burn farm diesel if necessary (with Prist).
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I did do a couple of ROP barn burner runs, one of which was the Airventure Cup last year. Michell SD to Wausau WI at 248.5 kts (367 nm) including climb to FL190 and back down. Speed when you want, efficiency otherwise, goes for the AEST entire line.

Pretty much busted there, too. :woot:

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John, Craig, Forrest,

I was just reading the thread from the start; I saw some comments about always landing with flaps. If you have not done it, find a long runway and takeoff and land with no flaps.
It is kind of eye opening and also fun (very nose high perspective to compared to the normal flat view) :)

The reason this skill is required is the emergency gear deployment takes away the hydraulic pressure. The Aerostar uses hydraulic pressure to lower the flaps and hold them down...

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Not sure where you are based, but if you can get to my part of the world, I'll be happy to give you a demonstration.

Forrest



Pretty good EVS video:

http://youtu.be/hlblK6A8pEU

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Not sure where you are based, but if you can get to my part of the world, I'll be happy to give you a demonstration.

Forrest



Pretty good EVS video:

http://youtu.be/hlblK6A8pEU



Forrest,

I have seen a few EVS videos before but the one you attached was new to me. Thx.

If the price point was 10k or less I would pull the trigger now. However, I am still pondering the next plane and not sure I want to spend more on this one.

If I ever near you I will pm you and take you up on your offer.

Mark

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Jim, excellent performance form the 700's, but I also had at least two potential buyers on my 601P who had had 700's in the past and said that pulling 350hp out of them made them less reliable. Said the 601P's will make TBO without top end work, whereas the 700's won't. I have no clue if that's true, but that was their statement.

Thoughts on this?


Adam,

Here is a quote from a Super700 Aerostar owner asking about when to overhaul. Just a data point.

"One of my engines (TIO 540 U2A) installed in 1997 after Lycoming overhaul now has TSMOH of 1998 and total time of 3789 hrs. Two cylinders were replaced since, #2 (now 326hrs.)and #4 cylinders (now 508hrs). Oil consumption stable at one quart/3hrs for past 500hrs. Good compressions and runs great. One turbo has 1470hrs and the other 558hrs. No issues on oil analysis yet. Questions for opinion among the membership..."


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You want to know when you really appreciate the speed of an Aerostar?

Yesterday, Karen and I flew back from DC into 50 knot headwinds :bugeye: ; that was not forecast :liar: .

I just pushed up from my normally very modest power settings and still made it in 4 hours and 4 minutes with over an hour reserve.

Got home to rain and minimums :eek: . The A* slid down the LPV slope like on rails :dancing: MAN I LOVE THAT. :cheers:

After all these years, breaking out of crud looking straight down the runway and into white over red VASI's still melts my butter. :thumbup:

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