BeechTalk - BT - Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement????

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Oct 2019, 20:36

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HBFQI

Looking at the legs flown, I would guess some people have had demos already.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Oct 2019, 21:07

Looks like it was exactly as fast at fl240 as a straight pc12 ng today.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 07:04

Username Protected wrote:

The speed increase of 18 knots was at 10,000 lbs. FL280 on a 6 degree C warmer than standard day in a back to back comparison. The speed increase gets larger as altitude increases so at lower altitudes the speed increase will not be as much but still significant. Rate of climb above FL180 is also significantly improved.

The cowling will be on display at the NBAA booth 5334.

Jim, are you doing the TBM next?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 07:15

Username Protected wrote:

That’s great news Jim. I can’t wait to see one in the flesh. I love being able to mod my airplane. Any ballpark pricing yet?

Thanks Jason. It is being sold by our partner and distributor EDMO in Spokane WA at an introductory price of $85,000. The contact is Tim Gump at EDMO Distributors tim@edmo.com or 800.two five three.3300

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 07:31

Username Protected wrote:

Jim, are you doing the TBM next?

Isn't this already the TBM cowling? That is, similar areodynamic refinements to those TBM applied to their cowling to turn the 850 into the 900?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 09:01

Jim - curious why the costs are so high on getting something like this to market? Is it costs of actual flight testing?

Have the new stc rules helped at all?

Seems like all the planes we fly would be way better, engineering just stuck in the 1970s

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 09:23

Username Protected wrote:

The TBM 900 cowling is similar to our Cheyenne cowling we did in the early 1990's. Externally our Pilatus cowling is similar in shape to the TBM 900 cowling.

It would shave about 15 minutes off of a 4 hour flight of 1200 miles. Adds a bit of range. It would take a very long time to pay back in fuel and engine savings at the price of the the PC12 mod, plus install and painting costs. There are a number of guys saying they're in but I don't get it. It will be interesting to see how well the PC12 mod sells.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 10:49

Username Protected wrote:

That’s great news Jim. I can’t wait to see one in the flesh. I love being able to mod my airplane. Any ballpark pricing yet?

Thanks Jason. It is being sold by our partner and distributor EDMO in Spokane WA at an introductory price of $85,000. The contact is Tim Gump at EDMO Distributors tim@edmo.com or 800.two five three.3300

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 11:09

Username Protected wrote:

IF the PC12's big thing is going to be bigger windows and nicer seats, then they'd better slap themselves silly. Pilots want faster/longer range and bigger airplane.

True, but I am pretty sure Pilatus knows that >85% of the costs of their planes are underwritten by folks who sit in the back. They’d just be catering to the bulk of their customers.

-JB

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 11:21

15 minutes feels like an eternity while flying. Never understood why. I recently did LA to Denver with a nice push. It was 17 min faster than the trip out. Passengers all commented on how fast the return trip felt! When I told them it was only 15 min they were incredulous.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 15:31

Username Protected wrote:

IF the PC12's big thing is going to be bigger windows and nicer seats, then they'd better slap themselves silly. Pilots want faster/longer range and bigger airplane.

It would be great if the new windows were a result of beefing up the pressure vessel to support a higher cabin PSI to compete with the Denali.

"At the aircraft’s 31,000-foot service ceiling, the Denali’s 7.55 psi cabin differential will mimic an aircraft flying at 6,130 feet"

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 15:53

Username Protected wrote:

"At the aircraft’s 31,000-foot service ceiling, the Denali’s 7.55 psi cabin differential will mimic an aircraft flying at 6,130 feet"

The Denali has never actually flown so we don't know what it'll do.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Oct 2019, 15:56

Username Protected wrote:

The TBM 900 cowling is similar to our Cheyenne cowling we did in the early 1990's. Externally our Pilatus cowling is similar in shape to the TBM 900 cowling.

It would shave about 15 minutes off of a 4 hour flight of 1200 miles. Adds a bit of range. It would take a very long time to pay back in fuel and engine savings at the price of the the PC12 mod, plus install and painting costs. There are a number of guys saying they're in but I don't get it. It will be interesting to see how well the PC12 mod sells.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Oct 2019, 12:45

Looks like larger windows for PC-12NGX. I used google translate.

Quote:

Pilatus has further upgraded its PC-12 and will now introduce the latest version of the PC-12 at the NBAA-BACE. Larger windows resembling the PC-24 are among the external features of the PC-12NGX , the latest version of the Swiss turboprop. The "new" PC-12 will feature a new version of the Pratt & Whitney turbine and an improved hard cell propeller.

https://skynews.ch/zivilluftfahrt/pc-12ngx-nbaa/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Oct 2019, 13:18

Username Protected wrote:

Looks like larger windows for PC-12NGX. I used google translate.

Quote:

Pilatus has further upgraded its PC-12 and will now introduce the latest version of the PC-12 at the NBAA-BACE. Larger windows resembling the PC-24 are among the external features of the PC-12NGX , the latest version of the Swiss turboprop. The "new" PC-12 will feature a new version of the Pratt & Whitney turbine and an improved hard cell propeller.

https://skynews.ch/zivilluftfahrt/pc-12ngx-nbaa/

Damn. Article is written in Mexican.

Good find though. Thank you