I agree. But Cancun, Atlanta, tomato, tomato. Doesn't really matter why. It was a zoo out there. That said, once I got over Florida everyone was bitching about ATL ATC and the "supposed" delay. Miami center said "I don't know why they're claiming a delay... there's no delay, I'm climbing everyone". ATC is another cog in Murphy's Law. It's just another thing to go wrong

Even at 15k' the whole way I would land with 1200lbs on board.

Sitting at the Ritz in SOBE writing this. Flew down to FXE on Friday. Bit of icing departing the NY area that the hot wings handled easily. 3:14 flight. 150+ headwinds in the lower FLs from NY to NC. Went up to FL450 for about an 80kt headwind. Put a raft in the back and went down AR21 overwater. Used a lot of the capabilities of the CJ2+ to make it a nice relaxing flight.

This actually illustrates the advantage of SETP. Penalty to stay at FL180 in a TBM is 25knots and 25gph. You can do 290knots at 85gph all day long. I still think TBM/Pilatus are impossible to beat time and/or economy wise on any trip under 600nm. But to some, including me, pumping that extra 40gph is worth the piece of mind of knowing I won't become a glider. Been there, done that, don't want to do it anymore.

Show us an example of an SP jet being beat by a PC12 flown on the above trips within a few hours of each other.

Be patient, it will take you some time to find it.


The owner.

It is misleading to suggest the PC12 is popular with owner operators when most of them do something else.


No prop, no prop deice, no prop governor. These are all added items over a jet, including the failures and emergency procedures associated with them.

A twin jet is simpler when an engine fails.

A jet is simpler to fly over weather the PC12 can't top.

A jet is simpler to fly over turbulence.

Mike C.

When you get irrational and buy your jet you will like SE a lot of that flexibility.

I seem to have no reason to go around ATL. Last time I flew into the area was when NVAA was there.

If I owned a jet, I would say the same thing to Jason.

Mike C.

Nobody has a reason to come to Atlanta. I'm only here because this is where business and family are. Otherwise I'd be in NYC..... with a jet.

I never said anything about a PC12 "beating" a jet. I'm fine with being slower than a jet Atlanta to NYC. "How much slower" is the question. 1 minute? 3 minutes? 15 minutes? Single Pilots PDK to TEB it's not up to "US". It's up to ATC.

The rest of your post is

Good thing your are consistent otherwise nobody would know what you are saying.

Mike C.

Jason,

When did you file your flight plan for your delayed trip to cancun?

A two hour delay sounds to me like you may have tried to file just before departure as is the norm in the US or Canada but not when leaving to many other countries.

Two hours is the required advance filing for many Central American and South American countries.

I always go IFR and have never been delayed. I always file the night before.

Just the opposite. I was anticipating the rush and filed 24 hours prior. Wasn't til I tried to pick up my clearance that I was told about the delay. Then I refiled on my phone and boom.

I've flown/filed international for years last minute. That's the first time anything like this has happened. It's really just due to holiday rush and mass confusion in the government.

Good thing your are consistent otherwise nobody would know what you are saying.

Mike C.

Let's do a raffle-
I will reserve the wine cellar at Pappas or Del's in Houston (central and I live here)
8 highest bidders and me
Dinner with Mike and Jason
Jason flies in his PC-12 and fills the seats with his ahem...top 8 "friends"
Mike flies in his MU-2 and puts a big white board in it to bring to dinner
The 8 highest bidders get to have dinner with Mike, Jason and his special guests as they DUKE out the single twin debate. Upon completion of that topic, we will move on to the merits of the SF50 and its imminent failure or success in the market.

we will post pictures and the FINAL results of both topics the following day or whenever we are able....

Virtual (Internet) gonads are always more substantial than real life.

This actually illustrates the advantage of SETP. Penalty to stay at FL180 in a TBM is 25knots and 25gph. You can do 290knots at 85gph all day long. I still think TBM/Pilatus are impossible to beat time and/or economy wise on any trip under 600nm. But to some, including me, pumping that extra 40gph is worth the piece of mind of knowing I won't become a glider. Been there, done that, don't want to do it anymore.