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 Post subject: Re: Talk me out of buying a Glasair III
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I can't imagine what you guys suffer. My wife has always enjoyed flying. She may have been apprehensive once early on, but not anymore. She maintains when the wx is awful, or if there is busy ATC or whatever, the last thing the safety of flight needs is her being in a state. She says you have trained and fly often and anything that I can't do, she is not going to be able to help with anyway. Best to be quite and do what she is told.

Point in case, this weekend we are picking up a car for our son (he is buying mostly) about 5 hours drive or 1hr 15min in the -10. Only hitch is we have the -10 in the shop replacing the previous glass with all new upgraded glass. No way is she driving 5 up and 5 back. So into David Young's G36 we will go.

Last night she was asking, can we just truck it straight from Biloela to Canberra (18 hours).

If we had to live with commercial flying like you guys have over there, we would never fly at all unless it was our own.

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 Post subject: Re: Talk me out of buying a Glasair III
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Very interesting. It appears very few people fly the Glassair III IFR or even VFR with flight following. Most of them I see say "landed over xxx years ago." The Legacys seem to have a little better track record.

When I had my Velocity I flew it IFR and will do the same in whatever I buy; albeit, it will be more carefully thought through than with the Duke.

Having a hard time deciding between a 220-230 knot on 16-17 GPH beautiful red Lancair Legacy or a pretty 250-260 knot Turbine Legend on 37-40 GPH. Both of them are screamers. The Legend is a much bigger plane and love the idea of the turbine. Not sure I want to tie up that much money and the turbine parts are expensive. A fuel filter alone is $2400.

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I'd buy whichever you think you can resell more easily. Tie goes to the cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate piston. Try it for a few weeks, and if it's to slow you can sell it :)


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 Post subject: Re: Talk me out of buying a Glasair III
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I agree with you there Charles; although, I don't think any of them are very easy to sell. The most value compared to cost to build new would be the Turbine Legend. Probably about $450k to build and a little over 50% that amount to buy it. The Legacy probably about $250k to build and maybe 70% of that amount to buy it.

I'm thinking that both are probably "overpriced" considering the market in general. Heck, I probably will be selling my Duke for just slightly over what it costs to rebuild one engine and it has two very strong engines with low time.

Maybe I should keep the Duke and put on two Walther 675HP turbines and call it experimental.

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I have long since given up trying to make everything "perfect." When God calls me home it will be on His time. I'm not worrying anymore.

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I agree with you there Charles; although, I don't think any of them are very easy to sell. The most value compared to cost to build new would be the Turbine Legend. Probably about $450k to build and a little over 50% that amount to buy it. The Legacy probably about $250k to build and maybe 70% of that amount to buy it.

I'm thinking that both are probably "overpriced" considering the market in general. Heck, I probably will be selling my Duke for just slightly over what it costs to rebuild one engine and it has two very strong engines with low time.

Maybe I should keep the Duke and put on two Walther 675HP turbines and call it experimental.


Todd the only thing I can say is go fly both. Once you fly the legend there is no comparison. For what you want and are considering spending it's really a non issue, fly everything and the only issue might be fuel burn. Once you fly behind a turbine you can't go back.


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 Post subject: Re: Talk me out of buying a Glasair III
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I am following this thread with massive interest. my A-36TN needs glass, tips, paint, interior and maybe tks. can't move myself to take on that financial load. Can sell the A36TN and buy both a glasair and a baron. Own the Glasair outright and partner with the baron, (or just rent when I need more seats).

Electronic ignition? better fuel injection?

Tell me about ice and Glasairs /Legacy's? Could you ever do a tks on one of those?
TurboNormalize?
Do the lycomings run LOP?

Mission flight is Washington to Arizona 1-2 times a month, usually by myself. Wife does not fly in winter due to weather.

I flew a Glasair I for several years in the 90's. Loved it then. Moved up to the family plane. Now back to flying by myself.

It may very well be time to move on!!


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Very interesting. It appears very few people fly the Glassair III IFR or even VFR with flight following. Most of them I see say "landed over xxx years ago." The Legacys seem to have a little better track record.

When I had my Velocity I flew it IFR and will do the same in whatever I buy; albeit, it will be more carefully thought through than with the Duke.

Having a hard time deciding between a 220-230 knot on 16-17 GPH beautiful red Lancair Legacy or a pretty 250-260 knot Turbine Legend on 37-40 GPH. Both of them are screamers. The Legend is a much bigger plane and love the idea of the turbine. Not sure I want to tie up that much money and the turbine parts are expensive. A fuel filter alone is $2400.


Seems like you are giving up alot of capability (pressurized, booted, extra engine) and trading the cash reserve you have with the Duke for either a 50% fuel savings or 15% speed increase. As you've said before, you can buy alot of fuel with the cash you saved on the Duke purchase.

Plus, you are keeping the Bo? Why have two planes of basically the same capability? Sell the Bo for the new one and keep the Duke for the capabilities.


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A fuel filter alone is $2400.


If it's experimental why can't you go to NAPA for a fuel filter?
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Very interesting. It appears very few people fly the Glassair III IFR or even VFR with flight following. Most of them I see say "landed over xxx years ago." The Legacys seem to have a little better track record.

When I had my Velocity I flew it IFR and will do the same in whatever I buy; albeit, it will be more carefully thought through than with the Duke.

Having a hard time deciding between a 220-230 knot on 16-17 GPH beautiful red Lancair Legacy or a pretty 250-260 knot Turbine Legend on 37-40 GPH. Both of them are screamers. The Legend is a much bigger plane and love the idea of the turbine. Not sure I want to tie up that much money and the turbine parts are expensive. A fuel filter alone is $2400.


Seems like you are giving up alot of capability (pressurized, booted, extra engine) and trading the cash reserve you have with the Duke for either a 50% fuel savings or 15% speed increase. As you've said before, you can buy alot of fuel with the cash you saved on the Duke purchase.

Plus, you are keeping the Bo? Why have two planes of basically the same capability? Sell the Bo for the new one and keep the Duke for the capabilities.


Hi Tim,

The Bo is no longer mine, but I have access to it. It is a great plane, but is still 165-170 knots.

The Duke is a great plane, but fuel is not the only issue. You have to get specific training and stay current. The maintenance is also quite a bit more than a single engine NA or turbine airplane. Lots of systems to maintain. It is just too much plane for one or two people to be traveling in. Also, I want something "fun" to fly. If my wife and other son would rather take the airlines I want to do some rolls in something fun on the way to FL. I want the ability to land at that shorter strip in the mountains, etc.
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I am following this thread with massive interest. my A-36TN needs glass, tips, paint, interior and maybe tks. can't move myself to take on that financial load. Can sell the A36TN and buy both a glasair and a baron. Own the Glasair outright and partner with the baron, (or just rent when I need more seats).

Electronic ignition? better fuel injection?

Tell me about ice and Glasairs /Legacy's? Could you ever do a tks on one of those?
TurboNormalize?
Do the lycomings run LOP?

Mission flight is Washington to Arizona 1-2 times a month, usually by myself. Wife does not fly in winter due to weather.

I flew a Glasair I for several years in the 90's. Loved it then. Moved up to the family plane. Now back to flying by myself.

It may very well be time to move on!!



Greg,

The biggest problem IMO is the fact that there is no de-ice available for the Lancair or the Glasair and you definitely want to stay out of the ice in one of these.

You do not need TN with either of these planes as they will make all the power you want up to 15k and will make enough to get you to 20k if needed. You are making 300-380HP (SL) in a plane that weighs 1200-1400 lbs less than your 300HP Bonanza. That extra power, less weight, and cleaner airframe is more than enough to compensate for the lack of a turbo.

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Todd just wants to prove he can sell anything! He has mastered the impossible Duke. Now he needs to up the stakes with a turbine two-seat experimental.

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Todd just wants to prove he can sell anything! He has mastered the impossible Duke. Now he needs to up the stakes with a turbine two-seat experimental.

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:coffee: It will take the end all of Apocalypse world coming to an end, I am checking out scenario for Todd to get one of these powered lawn darts sold after a couple months. I am not sure even he is up to it. Although, the cockpit is just about the right size for holding a beer as a nice end table if it doesn't work out.

It's Friday, the weather is lousy, just having some fun. :bud:

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I agree with you there Charles; although, I don't think any of them are very easy to sell. The most value compared to cost to build new would be the Turbine Legend. Probably about $450k to build and a little over 50% that amount to buy it. The Legacy probably about $250k to build and maybe 70% of that amount to buy it.

I'm thinking that both are probably "overpriced" considering the market in general. Heck, I probably will be selling my Duke for just slightly over what it costs to rebuild one engine and it has two very strong engines with low time.

Maybe I should keep the Duke and put on two Walther 675HP turbines and call it experimental.


Todd the only thing I can say is go fly both. Once you fly the legend there is no comparison. For what you want and are considering spending it's really a non issue, fly everything and the only issue might be fuel burn. Once you fly behind a turbine you can't go back.



Greg,

I completely agree with the desire to own the turbine. It would be about $75k more for the Legend, which is significant, but not a deal breaker. My biggest concern is with the *condition* of the Walter engine. The IO-580 in the Lancair was built by the owner who works at the very highly respected engine shop it was built in. I know what I am getting with the IO-580.

With the Walter, I am getting a 10-20 year old turbine removed from a commuter that was most likely placed in service is Siberia or something like that. It was not new or rebuilt before being placed on the Legend. It was simply "IRANed" which is basically an inspection with replacement of any failed items. Much of this inspection goes by the maintenance records as well which could be suspect of a 20 year old removed engine. I'm not saying the seller is in anyway corrupt, but the engine itself is in question. If this engine has a problem, repairs start at $20k and go up to $150k. If the IO-580 has a problem $30k will completely rebuild it and most likely $2k would catch most items.

It is all a trade-off. Just matter how deep your pockets are and what you are willing to spend. Insurance is also an issue. The Lancair can be insured with full hull and liability for $5k. The Legend would be $5k just for ground coverage. Probably $10-$15k for full liability and hul.
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