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 Post subject: Re: Aerostar vs C-421C
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If you suddenly lose your class 3SI, you can’t get basic med. You need BM before that happens otherwise you’re done unless you can get your Class 3SI back.


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If you suddenly lose your class 3SI, you can’t get basic med. You need BM before that happens otherwise you’re done unless you can get your Class 3SI back.


If you have both and lose your class 3 then you have lost your BM.

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If you suddenly lose your class 3SI, you can’t get basic med. You need BM before that happens otherwise you’re done unless you can get your Class 3SI back.


If you have both and lose your class 3 then you have lost your BM.


I was told by the local FISDO if you have both and lose your Class 3 your BM is still valid as long as the reason you lost your Class 3 is not on the BM disqualification list.

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I was told by the local FISDO if you have both and lose your Class 3 your BM is still valid as long as the reason you lost your Class 3 is not on the BM cancellation list.

Interesting. Although in the end, since your C3 was revoked, you're then not eligible for another BM when it comes to renewal time. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


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I was told by the local FISDO if you have both and lose your Class 3 your BM is still valid as long as the reason you lost your Class 3 is not on the BM cancellation list.

Interesting. Although in the end, since your C3 was revoked, you're then not eligible for another BM when it comes to renewal time. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


You can renew your BM as long as the reason you’re class 3 was revoked isn’t on the disqualification list for BM.

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You can renew your BM as long as the reason you’re class 3 was revoked isn’t on the disqualification list for BM.

No, sadly not. The rules really aren't very pilot friendly. If your latest certificate was denied or revoked, you cannot get BM until you've been approved for a certificate. More generally, you're not qualified to fly under BM at any time if:

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Your most recent FAA-issued medical certificate was suspended (at any time) or revoked, your most recent FAA medical application was denied, or your most recent authorization for special issuance of your medical certificate was withdrawn.
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I asked my person who said those rules apply if don’t already have a BM and would now try to get a BM, you can’t.

He said it’s a gray area and if you already have a BM and the event that canceled your C3 is not on the disqualification list for BM, just keep flying with BM.


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I asked my person who said those rules apply if don’t already have a BM and would now try to get a BM, you can’t.

He said it’s a gray area and if you already have a BM and the event that canceled your C3 is not on the disqualification list for BM, just keep flying with BM.



Doesn't seem gray to me. From AOPA:


Common reasons for someone to not qualify to fly under BasicMed can include but are not limited to the following issues:


Your most recent FAA-issued medical certificate was suspended (at any time) or revoked, your most recent FAA medical application was denied, or your most recent authorization for special issuance of your medical certificate was withdrawn.

You will need to have a medical exam by an Aviation Medical Examiner and obtain a new FAA-issued medical certificate before you can be eligible to fly under BasicMed.

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Your most recent FAA-issued medical certificate was suspended (at any time) or revoked, your most recent FAA medical application was denied, or your most recent authorization for special issuance of your medical certificate was withdrawn.


Isn’t BM separate from FAA issued medicals.? This applies to FAA medicals and applicants for a FAA medical.
Not pilots who already hold a BM and are not applying for BM.


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Isn’t BM separate from FAA issued medicals.? This applies to FAA medicals and applicants for a FAA medical.
Not pilots who already hold a BM and are not applying for BM.


The last sentence of what I posted covers that.

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In my case, I have a Special Issuance Class 3 which involved a condition which is allowed under Basic Med (assuming it was under control). I probably had a valid medical in 2006 opening the door to Basic Med but didn’t dig through the record since I wanted a Class 3. It was a lot of work to get approved but I made it. I now have an annual medical requirement for Class 3 which is the standard examination plus a 24 hr. Holter monitor. As some may know, the Holter monitor can be glitchy. If I were to “fail” the Holter due to some anomaly I’d go back to the beginning of the line of a possible 12 month process and would be disallowed to pursue Basic Med. Now, I need weigh the advantages/disadvantages of Class 3 vs Basic Med and the possible risk of a glitch.


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The first is a big restriction on flying a turbine plane.

Depends on which plane to some degree.

An MU2 F model won't be hurt too bad flying at 17,500 ft. It gets wheezy at FL250 (its ceiling) and is rarely flown that high. While you wish for the low 20s, a BasicMed pilot can get a lot of utility from that.

For a -10 M model, yeah, under FL180 is a nasty limitation.

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I owned an F model MU-2 for 5 years. Flew it at FL250 all the time in the winter, but it couldn't make it above FL230 on really hot days in the summer until you burned off some fuel. At those altitudes it was a 240-260KTAS airplane on 56-58gph. Speed depended on weight and temp. It definitely burned less fuel at FL180 than my current -10 M model. Long trips at FL250 frequently had block to block fuel burns of 60-62gph or so, pretty economical for a twin turboprop. Looking at the title of this thread if you are considering either an Aerostar or a 421, you should look at MU-2s as well. People worry about financial risk, but it is much less likely in a turbine than a piston and trashing the piston engine in a 421 or Aerostar is gonna cost and that is more likely than trashing a TPE331. Have you looked at the cost of a GTSIO 520 or TIO 540 Lycoming recently?? Those costs approach the cost of a hot section on a TPE331 and the turbine is much more likely to make it to a hot section with no engine work at all...just sayin' Hot section intervals on TPE331s are 1800hrs or 2500hrs depending on which engine you have.

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