The problem with marketing that METP's are safer than SETP's is that they aren't. Even if you just look at engine related fatal accidents in KA's versus PC12's... The PC12 wins and with 6 million fleet hours in the PC12 it is not a statistical fluke. There are almost no new twins being built for the up and coming pilots. Want new it is a single piston or a single turbine. METP's are a handful when an engine quits and they are over twice as likely to suffer an engine loss, making that reality more likely. The Denali will be a success. If selling several hundred units defines success. The future is the single, even as unforward thinking as Textron is, they see the writing on the wall. The future of the twin is the twin jet. Center line thrust, as boring as it gets. Even twin jets are getting it handed to them by Cirrus with the single engine jet.

The problem with marketing that METP's are safer than SETP's is that they aren't. Even if you just look at engine related fatal accidents in KA's versus PC12's... The PC12 wins and with 6 million fleet hours in the PC12 it is not a statistical fluke. There are almost no new twins being built for the up and coming pilots. Want new it is a single piston or a single turbine. METP's are a handful when an engine quits and they are over twice as likely to suffer an engine loss, making that reality more likely. The Denali will be a success. If selling several hundred units defines success. The future is the single, even as unforward thinking as Textron is, they see the writing on the wall. The future of the twin is the twin jet. Center line thrust, as boring as it gets. Even twin jets are getting it handed to them by Cirrus with the single engine jet.

Hard to compare a type rated aircraft to a non-type rated aircraft. If the Cessna 182 required a type rating and a 2 pilot crew, would have an even more impressive safety record. Probably in the ball park of the KA350. Even flown by some of the worst pilots in the world It is under 1/100K.

Hard to compare a type rated aircraft to a non-type rated aircraft. If the Cessna 182 required a type rating and a 2 pilot crew, would have an even more impressive safety record. Probably in the ball park of the KA350. Even flown by some of the worst pilots in the world It is under 1/100K.

Yeah, have to know your customer. Heck I would let Chip broker me a plane. He is a cool dude

Even twin jets are getting it handed to them by Cirrus with the single engine jet.

Even twin jets are getting it handed to them by Cirrus with the single engine jet.

Yeah, have to know your customer. Heck I would let Chip broker me a plane. He is a cool dude

Even twin jets are getting it handed to them by Cirrus with the single engine jet.

First impression of the Cessna Denali is that it will be a PC-12 killer. Pilatus is going to have to really up their game to compete.

It’s been my intention to write this post for some time, I’ve just been too busy.

At this years NBAA in Orlando, Amy and I had an opportunity to tour Textron’s full size mock-up of the Denali cabin. I won’t be able to say much about what the airplane will do because it is still to early and too many unknowns, but I think the cabin and fuselage tells the story.

What it isn’t... a single engine King Air.

I have to say that being a loyal King Air enthusiast I was very hurt when Textron announced the Cessna Denali. We had been hearing rumors of a single engine King Air for some time and I never considered the possibility that Textron would betray the KA brand... the most prevalent Turboprop in history!

When I saw the scale model lineup at NBAA two years ago, I began to see logic. Textron has the Caravan, a very popular single turboprop (in fact the most prevelant single engine turboprop) and the Denal seemed to follow... the model appeared to look more streamlined and flowed into the Mustang / CJ line. It was actually the King Airs that seemed out of place.

BUT... anyone can build a little model airplane and make it look slick.

My first impression walking into the full size model... it’s a CJ3 with a flat floor.

If I had any lingering doubts that it should have been a King Air, they vanished. This is one of the nicest cabins I have ever seen... it blows all other turboprop cabins out of the water.

It appears to be larger than the PC-12 cabin but not as big as a King Air 350. There’s more headroom than the CJ series, but the flat floor is what really makes it work. The interior finish is sleek and refined, this is new technology, and once inside you could easily be convinced it was a Citation. From an interior finish, design, ergonomic and utility standpoint it is simply brilliant.

The exterior is also very jet like, it’s slick... there’s no doubt that coupled with any decent powerplant it will be faster than the Pilatus, aerodynamics are that much better. Who knows what the real world numbers will be, but I think it will fall close behind the TBM in cruise speed with a much nicer cabin.

First impression... it’s the future.

You think they would at least put the radar pod on the other wing to make it look a little different Maybe has something to do with countering left turning tendencies with required drag.

First impression of the Cessna Denali is that it will be a PC-12 killer. Pilatus is going to have to really up their game to compete.

It’s been my intention to write this post for some time, I’ve just been too busy.

At this years NBAA in Orlando, Amy and I had an opportunity to tour Textron’s full size mock-up of the Denali cabin. I won’t be able to say much about what the airplane will do because it is still to early and too many unknowns, but I think the cabin and fuselage tells the story.

What it isn’t... a single engine King Air.

I have to say that being a loyal King Air enthusiast I was very hurt when Textron announced the Cessna Denali. We had been hearing rumors of a single engine King Air for some time and I never considered the possibility that Textron would betray the KA brand... the most prevalent Turboprop in history!

When I saw the scale model lineup at NBAA two years ago, I began to see logic. Textron has the Caravan, a very popular single turboprop (in fact the most prevelant single engine turboprop) and the Denal seemed to follow... the model appeared to look more streamlined and flowed into the Mustang / CJ line. It was actually the King Airs that seemed out of place.

BUT... anyone can build a little model airplane and make it look slick.

My first impression walking into the full size model... it’s a CJ3 with a flat floor.

If I had any lingering doubts that it should have been a King Air, they vanished. This is one of the nicest cabins I have ever seen... it blows all other turboprop cabins out of the water.

It appears to be larger than the PC-12 cabin but not as big as a King Air 350. There’s more headroom than the CJ series, but the flat floor is what really makes it work. The interior finish is sleek and refined, this is new technology, and once inside you could easily be convinced it was a Citation. From an interior finish, design, ergonomic and utility standpoint it is simply brilliant.

The exterior is also very jet like, it’s slick... there’s no doubt that coupled with any decent powerplant it will be faster than the Pilatus, aerodynamics are that much better. Who knows what the real world numbers will be, but I think it will fall close behind the TBM in cruise speed with a much nicer cabin.

First impression... it’s the future.

who'd go out of their way to buy the Cessna?

I've said this before on this thread but assuming that everything Cessna is currently promising comes true and Pilatus does not significantly upgrade the PC12, I think there are a lot of reasons to choose the Denali over the PC12:

- much lower cabin altitude
- FADEC
- G3000
- No HSI
- Longer TBO
- slightly less money
- slightly faster

It's enough to win more than a few customers, I think