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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options  Posted: 07 Feb 2018, 14:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Avanti is slower because of the time it spends in the shop.
Mike C. 
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 07 Feb 2018, 16:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: MIke,
Remember you need 500 hours PIC turbine to get a SP waiver for a Part 25 airplane so one of these may not be the best first jet idea.
Mike The SPE requirement is for 500 of turbine time, not turbojet time. Last time I checked, Mike's MU-2 is turbine... Robert
I think I was thinking of SWA's old hiring minimum, 500 turbojet.
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 07 Feb 2018, 22:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Avanti is slower because of the time it spends in the shop.
Conjecture and hearsay.
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 07 Feb 2018, 22:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Avanti is slower because of the time it spends in the shop. Conjecture and hearsay.
"The aircraft is now at a Tulsa shop for service on all inspections and overhauls. (landing gear, at a cost of $300,000, propeller overhaul, all inspections done at total cost of over half a million). Plane is expected to be fully overhauled and inspected and ready in six weeks."
From a listing on controller.com.
$300K to overhaul landing gear? Geez.
Adam, you have a fatal attraction to airplanes that require expensive and time consuming maintenance.
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 01:40 |
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Username Protected wrote:
$300K to overhaul landing gear? Geez.
Adam, you have a fatal attraction to airplanes that require expensive and time consuming maintenance.
Mike C.
Not mandatory part 91. But yes, I do have fatal attraction to non-vanilla planes.
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 01:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not mandatory part 91. Okay, maybe so, but I suspect there is some sort of inspection that is required under the manufacturer's inspection program under FAR 91.409 and it won't be cheap. And it still says something that a gear overhaul is $300K. That tells you that you ain't fixing anything in the gear cheaply, either. One wonders why you can't buy all the gear for $300K outright new? I went through the accident on the NTSB database, and most of them involved the landing gear in one way or another. Very surprising. Looks like a definite weakness and perhaps not overhauling it is pound foolish and penny wise. Quote: But yes, I do have fatal attraction to non-vanilla planes. What I fly is definitely not vanilla, more like spicy hot chocolate, but it isn't costing me a fortune or soaking up all my time managing it. I actually get to fly it quite a lot. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 02:15 |
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I went through the accident on the NTSB database, and most of them involved the landing gear in one way or another. Very surprising. Looks like a definite weakness and perhaps not overhauling it is pound foolish and penny wise.
Did you also notice that they have zero fatal accidents in almost 30 years of service? That's better than any other turboprop I know of - single or twin. Those statistics seem to not jive with a problematic airframe that "breaks a lot". 
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 09:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Did you also notice that they have zero fatal accidents in almost 30 years of service? That's better than any other turboprop I know of - single or twin. Probably a consequence of being flown 2 crew most of the time. Quote: Those statistics seem to not jive with a problematic airframe that "breaks a lot". ;) Mechanical accident causes are the minority for any airplane. I am pretty sure the P.180 will cost as much to fly per mile as a Citation. I am also pretty sure finding contract pilots for it will be a problem. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 09:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: it’s an emotional decision. It certainly will be if you buy the wrong one. I have very clear and specific business needs that must be met. It mostly comes down to hard numbers. $ to buy, $ to operate, nm to fly, hours to fly. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 10:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: it’s an emotional decision. It certainly will be if you buy the wrong one. I have very clear and specific business needs that must be met. It mostly comes down to hard numbers. $ to buy, $ to operate, nm to fly, hours to fly. Mike C.
Not so sure there is anything objective there You are like the rest of us. Addicted and trying to rationalize 
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Post subject: Re: Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 17:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am pretty sure the P.180 will cost as much to fly per mile as a Citation. I am also pretty sure finding contract pilots for it will be a problem.
Probably will. But you'll save $50K in less training per year. I was under the impression that you wanted an aircraft that you yourself could fly mainly, with the occasional full load business trip.
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