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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 08:44 |
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Another critical question about Aerostars, can you fit a set of golf clubs in the baggage compartment?
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 09:19 |
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Joined: 06/16/10 Posts: 144 Post Likes: +54 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Quote: Aside from that...you are missed, Norman and I are the only LOP'er left there Man - I live 12,000 miles away and have been forgotten already..... 
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 09:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: Aside from that...you are missed, Norman and I are the only LOP'er left there Man - I live 12,000 miles away and have been forgotten already.....  Opps! Sorry Richard Norman wasn't at the AOA convention in Nashville either. I felt very lonely Glenn
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 09:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: La-gaaaddddia
LGA That was a gimme.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 09:35 |
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Joined: 12/17/13 Posts: 6652 Post Likes: +5959 Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Another critical question about Aerostars, can you fit a set of golf clubs in the baggage compartment?
Vince Maybe, if you jam them sideways and don't have the aux tank installed. The baggage compartment is actually pretty big - I used to carry around my foldable bike all the time.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 10:06 |
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Joined: 10/11/11 Posts: 72 Post Likes: +37 Location: Corsicana, TX
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Username Protected wrote: Another critical question about Aerostars, can you fit a set of golf clubs in the baggage compartment?
Vince I can fit golf bags but I do not have the auxiliary fuel tank. It might be tight with the aux tank. The bag sits diagonally and lays flat with the driver removed. The driver fits at an angle. You can also fit snow skis in the back baggage compartment by folding down the top of the curtain and extending a little into the tail section. They rest on an angle support sold and installed for that purpose although I believe it was an aftermarket option. The baggage compartment fits a surprising amount of stuff. There is a 240 lb weight limit on the baggage compartment though.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 10:29 |
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Joined: 01/14/12 Posts: 2001 Post Likes: +1494 Location: Hampton, VA
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Username Protected wrote: Forrest, Contrary to your screen shot the ban was not permanent but was instead for a few days at the most. Personally, I think the situation was handled poorly by the moderators there. I stood up for you and VERY clearly expressed that to those in charge. They are only human and they make mistakes. I made a number of constructive suggestions on how these types of situations could be handled in the future and as far as I can tell they are now the protocols that are in place. While it may appear malicious, MY perspective is that they just didn't know what to do and in hindsight regret how it was handled as well. Aside from that...you are missed, Norman and I are the only LOP'er left there Glenn
Glenn,
That screen shot (and the deletion of my message) was Joel's response to my message to my fellow AOA members that I was leaving and could be contacted through the A-F.
It directly contradicts Joel's statement that "two people were banned from posting for a short time". It is my understanding that after you, and others, expressed your objections to Joel's censorship policy at the membership meeting all permanently banned members had their posting privileges reinstated, I can not confirm this because I did not attempt another post.
In my opinion, that is not the only statement he's made that was intended to make an otherwise uninformed reader believe things that are not accurate.
Joel said in his post:
"....What would you do if someone's first and only posts are to continually slam someone you know to have provided great value and service? What would you do when you receive a complaint that someone is constantly using offensive language? What would you do if someone keeps posting self serving spam? ...."
My (imperfect) memory is that a fellow (at the time) AOA member was permanently banned for making a humorous, and accurate, comment on a for sale aircraft who's engines had been O/H'd by the same repair shop he'd had such a bad experience with.
In my case: I had two posts removed. The first was one where I said I did not agree with Joel's censorship of Member posts. The second one where I announced my departure.
Neither used profanity. Neither was self serving spam.
I remember when you first called me with questions about Aerostars, we have had quite a few conversations in the years since that first call.
To the best of my ability, I have always tried to be straight with you and any advice or communication I've offered was genuine and far from "self serving".
That's all I have to say about that.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 11:03 |
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Joined: 01/14/12 Posts: 2001 Post Likes: +1494 Location: Hampton, VA
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Username Protected wrote: Forrest et al, please don't bring this old tired thing here too. It helps no one and just makes people think twice about Aerostars.  "old tired thing"? BT'r expresses his interest in Aerostars on an Aerostar string on BT. He gets good advice from me and other Aerostar owners. Another BT'r makes some posts that are (IMO) intentionally deceptive, and I call him on it. If I have knowledge on a subject (and some may say even if I don't), and I believe someone has made a post on BT that is inaccurate or deceptive, I'll attempt to set the record straight. My history and reality check post was that attempt. After that it was whack-a-mole. 
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 11:15 |
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*sigh*
I was there, Forrest was in the right in my opinion, and guess what? None of that matters. Forrest has put together an excellent board chock full of information that parallels the AOA board and there is no cost to members. It's most of the same players anyhow less a few individuals I have lost all respect for and it works well for me.
If you want to spend a few hundred dollars a year (and I used to; I am one of the folks who doubled his dues to support a forum I loved before all this nonsense) on AOA, you will find the same valuable information there and lots of good people.
Here's my advice, whatever that's worth to you: make sure you do MX business with reputable mechanics (a good start is to work with someone who holds a valid A&P) and make sure that when it comes to airworthiness you never take the word of anyone with a financial interest in the aircraft in question. That's sound advice in any circumstance no matter what boards you frequent. There's more than just money on the line with airplanes.
I agree with Adam and others. Time to put this out to pasture and move on, life is too short.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 11:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: You are having remorse due to unexpected expenses with a relatively simple NA single. As a potential cure you want to buy a 30-40 year old pressurized twin? Please go out in the back yard and dump a cold bucket of ice water over your head and then have someone slap you in the face very hard.  Tom this is standard pilot problem-solving protocol. No need for the ice water...
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 12:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: I've read your for sale thread, Adam, and I'm very impressed that your 601P can go 200-ish knots on 25 GPH. I get the impression that the low compression 602's and 700's can't fly LOP, or perhaps not lean enough to achieve 25-ish GPH. Is that correct? The 602P's and 700's can run leaned to peak or lean of peak if you want to slow down to 200 or so knots. At FL250 I can run a 700 at 211 KTAS on 28 GPH. If you reduce the power even more you can run slower and on less fuel. Best regards, Jim
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 13:02 |
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Joined: 11/22/08 Posts: 3086 Post Likes: +1052 Company: USAF Propulsion Laboratory Location: Dayton, OH
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Username Protected wrote: I've read your for sale thread, Adam, and I'm very impressed that your 601P can go 200-ish knots on 25 GPH. I get the impression that the low compression 602's and 700's can't fly LOP, or perhaps not lean enough to achieve 25-ish GPH. Is that correct? The 602P's and 700's can run leaned to peak or lean of peak if you want to slow down to 200 or so knots. At FL250 I can run a 700 at 211 KTAS on 28 GPH. If you reduce the power even more you can run slower and on less fuel. Best regards, Jim Jim, is that LOP? Or just throttled back? I have attempted LOP in my 680 at lower altitudes. In my case the airspeed slows down considerably compared to ROP. Now that my fuel flow is tied to the GPS and can show NM/gallon I will have to try it again.
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