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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand  Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 16:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not sure what you mean Jason, G1000 as nothing to do with the startup of the turbine, there is no fadec or automation on a PT6.
The only automatic feature on the 900 is the starter disengage automatic after 30 seconds, wow. Some guys were too stupid to shutoff the starter I guess.
http://aviationweek.com/business-aviati ... ta-tbm-900The cockpit has many other detail improvements. The avionics switch on the overhead panel, for instance, has been eliminated. Changes to electrical load distribution allow the Garmin G1000 avionics system to be powered up as soon as the battery is switched on, with minimal battery drain. The engine-start switch has been changed to a solenoid design that automatically pops back to “off” once the start cycle is complete. Version 14.01 software for G1000 upgrades the displays with an ISA temperature deviation indication, integrates weather radar with the MFD map and provides automatic landing field elevation inputs to the pressurization controller, among dozens of other small changes.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 18:35 |
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The startup is greatly improved not because of Garmin, but because Socata switch to a 300 amps starter generator for a faster start.
Other features are nice but that is the main thing on the start.
If you cant shut off your starter by yourself, get in your car.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 20:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wanna type "Miami" into the GPS, press "go" and read a book til I land. What happens if you end up in Oklahoma? Glenn
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 20:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wanna type "Miami" into the GPS, press "go" and read a book til I land. What happens if you end up in Oklahoma? Glenn
Bring a second book? 
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 21:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wanna type "Miami" into the GPS, press "go" and read a book til I land. What happens if you end up in Oklahoma? Glenn
You land at low traffic airports with great runways, service and good looking FBO girls. You will have to deal with the winds which come sweeping down the planes frequently in a 30 degree crosswind but if you're a decent pilot you land no problem and taxi to the FBO. You get a crew cab crew truck with roll down windows and smell the waving wheat which sure smells sweet on your way to go eat BBQ. You fill up on cheap fuel. Load back up, take off in the winds that come right behind the rain. On climb out try not to hit any hawks making lazy circles in the sky. Once back in cruise tell yourself not to be a dumb ass again and finish the book on Audible...
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 21:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wanna type "Miami" into the GPS, press "go" and read a book til I land. I'll save you millions of dollars in aircraft upgrades... Just hire a full-time pilot. You can pay him a couple $10Ks and do exactly what you want.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 22:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wanna type "Miami" into the GPS, press "go" and read a book til I land. What happened to voice recognition technology? It's already out there. RM
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 22:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: Or better yet, 300 hour a year in a Pilatus costs about as much as 150 a year in Netjets, which takes you about the same distance. Without the "headache" of programming that terrible Honeywell system. The guys upfront in Netjets actually know how to use ProLine 21, which still blows away Garmin 1000/3000/5000 and all Honeywell systems in what it can do as long as you're willing to spend 3 evenings reading a manual  What # per hour are you plugging in for the Netjets ? My research says you get 50 hours of Netjets for the same amount as 300 hours in a Pilatus.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 22:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: Or better yet, 300 hour a year in a Pilatus costs about as much as 150 a year in Netjets, which takes you about the same distance. Without the "headache" of programming that terrible Honeywell system. The guys upfront in Netjets actually know how to use ProLine 21, which still blows away Garmin 1000/3000/5000 and all Honeywell systems in what it can do as long as you're willing to spend 3 evenings reading a manual What # per hour are you plugging in for the Netjets ? My research says you get 50 hours of Netjets for the same amount as 300 hours in a Pilatus.
300 hours per year in Pilatus runs about $375,000 annually all costs taken into account. That's about 75 hours on NeJets, so you are correct, about half the distance covered. However, for short, single to two day business round trips, you could probably charter about 100 hours of jet time for about $250,000 and spend another $150,000 on 25 hour of Marquis jet card for vacations. Now, I'm kind of being tongue in cheek here anyway, because as much as Jason says he wants to say Miami and be there, he gets off flying himself way too much to give that up Say it ain't so, Jason.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 25 Jul 2014, 07:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: What happens if you end up in Oklahoma?
Glenn Why would that happen? I use "direct to enter enter" every flight and I've never landed in OK.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 25 Jul 2014, 07:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'll save you millions of dollars in aircraft upgrades... Just hire a full-time pilot. You can pay him a couple $10Ks and do exactly what you want. Absolutely, positively NOT the same thing. This is right up there with the "What if you land in Oklahoma" comment. I guess you guys just don't think things through?
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 25 Jul 2014, 07:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Or better yet, 300 hour a year in a Pilatus costs about as much as 150 a year in Netjets, which takes you about the same distance. Without the "headache" of programming that terrible Honeywell system. The guys upfront in Netjets actually know how to use ProLine 21, which still blows away Garmin 1000/3000/5000 and all Honeywell systems in what it can do as long as you're willing to spend 3 evenings reading a manual LOL 1. Show me the math on this. 2. If Proline is so great, how come it's being phased out everywhere? Clearly you've never flown a Cirrus. Have you seen how Proline 21 planes are performing on the market? My buddy just used Netjets for a round trip to Aspen. Total cost..... $60K. For me, Flying your own airplane=Freedom. I'll run my Pilatus several flights a day and be home in my own bed that night. You can't do that with Netjets. If I need to go somewhere on business right now..... I can with my own airplane. I can't call Netjets and tell them I'll be there in an hour and I need to hit 3 cities in 1 day and then do it again tomorrow.
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