BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 14:45

Username Protected wrote:

Wow diamond has a whole line now! You can go from the DA40 to the DA52 to the DA62 and even step up to the D-Jet when you are ready!

Wow, I wasn't aware all these planes existed. Amazing.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 15:01

Username Protected wrote:

Wow diamond has a whole line now! You can go from the DA40 to the DA52 to the DA62 and even step up to the D-Jet when you are ready!

Wow, I wasn't aware all these planes existed. Amazing.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 16:20

Yeah, I'm kidding. I know they don't exist except on paper. I was being facetious.

It shows 280HP 6 cylinder diesels. I think there's a market for a plane like this depending how fast it is. Doesn't have a chute but does have 2 engines (all psychological to the noobs) and runs on JetA. Cool plane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 17:37

Anyone have the unit sales for Diamond last year? I know the DA20 is sure coming on strong for schools (or was - I trained in one). The DA40 (100LL) is popping up here in my neck of the woods and the JetA DA40 is what is supposedly selling in Europe.

I'm also seeing the DA42 sell to individuals and to - dare I say - flight schools. Something like 7GPH will get you near 170KTS (I might be wrong on the GPH, but is is small and that is not per side - that is total burn.)

I've ridden in or flown all of the above. They are plastic, handle well and exist. The economics don't work for me, but they must for someone....

FOUND IT- GAMA reports 22 DA42's to Beech's 36 G58. If I had the money - yep, I'd buy the G58. But 22 other purchasers went with the DA42... That's respectable...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 17:41

Username Protected wrote:

Without pressurisation and de-ice, they have no business. Nobody is going to spend $900K without that when the place is littered with good used MU-2's, Aerostars, 58P's etc for a fraction of the cost. The USP is to have that - diesel and all weather. Then they have an in.

Gotta compare new to new...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 17:44

Username Protected wrote:

Without pressurisation and de-ice, they have no business. Nobody is going to spend $900K without that when the place is littered with good used MU-2's, Aerostars, 58P's etc for a fraction of the cost. The USP is to have that - diesel and all weather. Then they have an in.

Gotta compare new to new...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 20:25

Username Protected wrote:

Seriously, some of you need to stop with these comparisons to old airplanes.

That's the battlefield where it will go down. Airplanes are not like the new car market. It's a completely different kettle of fish. We can wish it away, but it's not going to change that fact.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 21:23

Username Protected wrote:

Without pressurisation and de-ice, they have no business. Nobody is going to spend $900K without that when the place is littered with good used MU-2's, Aerostars, 58P's etc for a fraction of the cost. The USP is to have that - diesel and all weather. Then they have an in.

You can't compare new planes to used planes on price. A new Bonanza is 700$ plus and used ones start at 70$, yet people still buy new ones. Some people just have a lot of $$$.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 21:28

Diamond has a market, and they're expanding sales.. they see the International demand.

The DA40 is keeping up in Volume with C172 sales.

What other manufacturer besides Cirrus is doing any real development/innovation?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2014, 23:16

Username Protected wrote:

Without pressurisation and de-ice, they have no business. Nobody is going to spend $900K without that when the place is littered with good used MU-2's, Aerostars, 58P's etc for a fraction of the cost. The USP is to have that - diesel and all weather. Then they have an in.

You can't compare new planes to used planes on price. A new Bonanza is 700$ plus and used ones start at 70$, yet people still buy new ones. Some people just have a lot of $$$.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 May 2014, 01:45

Baron G58 is doing just fine. They sell more than 3 per year, about 10+ times that.
It's still a very fine overpriced airplane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 May 2014, 06:57

Username Protected wrote:

Seriously, some of you need to stop with these comparisons to old airplanes.

That's the battlefield where it will go down. Airplanes are not like the new car market. It's a completely different kettle of fish. We can wish it away, but it's not going to change that fact.