The feds were right there too. Look at all these new planes we're going to have We need user fees!

Now it's look at all these planes we don't have. We need user fees!

Lots of people seem to think this. But ask yourself - if there wasn't a reasonable market for it before, when the price was ~$1.8M, why would there be a reasonable market for it at $2.8M?

Um... Personally, I would interpret the history not as a "huge market", but as a "huge orderbook", most of which was the DayJet vapor-dream, and most of those (vapor) orders were at a price substantially under $1.8M.

There has never been a "market" that has been fed by a manufacturer of these things. There is now a used market, and it interestingly seems to have no real supply constraint, and the pricing is well below $2M depending on which "version" all the systems are at.

Worth noting is that Eclipse, which even in current form is no real slouch at marketing and communication, has not said anything whatsoever about what its current order book is for the new aircraft. I would be curious.

Look at a 1.0-1.3 Eclipse for $600k-$800k and for the 'right' operator, there is nothing on the market that even comes close to touching this jet.

However, when you start talking $1.5m (for an upgraded 500) or $2.8m for a new 550, one has to start looking at other airplanes.

I would be surprised if they had even 2 or 3 orders .....

Training is no longer only performed through Eclipse. In fact, to my knowledge, it is not currently performed through them at all.

Like I said before, this jet takes a certain type of operator. Many owners interpret the regulations differently than EAI does.

I had a friend that flew the original eclipse. The airplane was a 172 that could go to FL410. No known ice, no gps. A branch of our company has their own flight department and they just picked up their ''total eclipse.'' The front seats are comfortable, once you are in them, that the trick They advertise the airplane as a six place airplane but thats 4 adult 2 children. They went ahead and and removed the town middle seats and its actually really roomy after that. They only have one sometimes two passengers for 90% of their trips so it works. Its a pretty good airplane if you are willing to roll the dice on the company. I think theres a market for them if they can prove to the consumer that they can maintain them.

The topic of this thread is 2 year old news, nothing new here

Well, aside from DayJet, there were quite a few "real" orders. They did manage to build and deliver 260 of these within a couple of years, and would probably deliver a lot more if they didn't run out of money.

IMHO, they do have a good niche to fill. Eventually we are going to have Cirrus Vision for 1.5M or so, then you have Eclipse as a step up around 2.5M, and the "real" planes start at 3M+.

As for the order book - of course they have no order book. Given the history, the only way these aircraft will sell is when they are in the showroom ready for immediate delivery.

"Made in Poland" seems be the news. Have you heard that one before?

Actually, I tell people that it is basically a Baron with jet engines on the back of it. Does any part of that not sound fun to you?

"Made in Poland" seems be the news. Have you heard that one before?

The NBAA press release from 2011


http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... on-363201/

Tim

I believe eclipse has announced base price without options to be (2.695 plus CPI 2010) Keep in mind that price does not include radar, TAWS, traffic, stormscope, etc etc.

After options and CPI, the average jet is going to go out the door at 3 mil plus.

Whatever their out-the-door price is, I hope they make it this time.

Way too rich for me, so I won't be buying one. I just hope that others can and will; that'll be good for GA.