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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow  Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 13:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Now for the Cirrus downside. How would you feel today if you had just taken delivery of your new Cirrus G3? After today's announcement, there goes another $100,000 in resale. And....Cirrus probably just started on their G5 replacement yesterday!
The blessing can become the curse. Probably feel the same way anyone would with a plane that had a newly upgraded platform.  Wouldn't the introduction of a factory TN G36 with warranty be the same to an individual like you, with a standard G36? 
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 14:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: Going from a wholly owned 55 to a club Cirrus, 1/2 the cost sounds about right. 55 - yeah, of course, but that's apples and oranges. I am talking about A36 or V35 vs. Cirrus SR22.
And he said 'my operating cost'.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 14:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Give me the name of one "personality" flying a G36?
Marketing sells. Jason?
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 15:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: And a lady can get in, and out, in a dress with her dignity intact........ That ruins half the fun!
Doug:
North American had this discussion in the fall of 1945. Ed Schmued (father of the Mustang) didn't want any stinkin doors in his new civilian airplane, the Navion. Real airplanes had canopies, he said. Cars (and Bonanzas) had doors. But the NA secretaries were unconvinced, and so they did what became known as the Secretary Test. They had the ladies mount up and swing their legs over the rails into the cockpit mockup, and recorded their reactions. None of them liked it, but Schmued got his way.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 17:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Now for the Cirrus downside. How would you feel today if you had just taken delivery of your new Cirrus G3? After today's announcement, there goes another $100,000 in resale. And....Cirrus probably just started on their G5 replacement yesterday!
The blessing can become the curse. Probably feel the same way anyone would with a plane that had a newly upgraded platform. Wouldn't the introduction of a factory TN G36 with warranty be the same to an individual like you, with a standard G36?
No....too many people think of TN as the "deluxe package", as if the only reason you don't buy one is because you can't afford it. I want NA for my present use, and I plan to buy a turboprop when I need to make frequent 500 NM + trips. TN is not JATO, or even close....it's a low cost (but reasonable) solution when you can't swing a turbine.
Cirrus discovered their market was the business guy on a budget. Cirrus provided a one-stop solution (with TKS) that made signing on the dotted line a whole lot easier than chasing aftermarket STCs.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 17:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tom,
Take the opportunity to fly one. A local flying club has put a SR22 in use. I say this coming from the stone age of no autopilot and 1 Garmin 430. I flew it and said wow my operating costs will be 50% of what it is now and it has all the bells and whistles. I was impressed but that was just me.
Yeah but then you'd be in a flying club, which is just great if you want to go to the west practice are and fly in circles.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 18:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: At the end of the day, the costs will be very close to operate a new Cirrus SR22 a new G36 a new Corvalis TTX... The difference will be what you pay for it and what you get out of it when you sell. The question is, will there be a difference in cost of operating a 2003 model old SR22 vs. 1980s A36. They cost about the same to acquire and with depreciation curve pretty flat at this point, the operating costs become the main factor.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 18:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: At the end of the day, the costs will be very close to operate a new Cirrus SR22 a new G36 a new Corvalis TTX... The difference will be what you pay for it and what you get out of it when you sell. The question is, will there be a difference in cost of operating a 2003 model old SR22 vs. 1980s A36. They cost about the same to acquire and with depreciation curve pretty flat at this point, the operating costs become the main factor.
I did not include used models on the spreadsheet. 
I would expect the A36 to have a higher marginal cost for two reasons. First, it is just older so therefore more items are likely to break (e.g. fuel pump, replace fuel selector seals). Second, it has more systems (retractable gear). The question is if the BRS offsets the additional costs of the gear...
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 18:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: At the end of the day, the costs will be very close to operate a new Cirrus SR22 a new G36 a new Corvalis TTX... The difference will be what you pay for it and what you get out of it when you sell. The question is, will there be a difference in cost of operating a 2003 model old SR22 vs. 1980s A36. They cost about the same to acquire and with depreciation curve pretty flat at this point, the operating costs become the main factor.
If you operate both with the same maintenance philosophy, there should not be much of a difference in ongoing cost.
The Cirri have the $1200 or so you have to roll into your yearly fixed expenses for the chute re-pack, the Bo has those wheels that go up and down that require occasional component overhauls (those go more by cycles rather than hours or calendar time, difficult to reflect in a budget).
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 18:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: And a lady can get in, and out, in a dress with her dignity intact........ That ruins half the fun!
I want to see the proof, for both aircraft 
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 19:19 |
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Username Protected wrote:
If you operate both with the same maintenance philosophy, there should not be much of a difference in ongoing cost.
The Cirri have the $1200 or so you have to roll into your yearly fixed expenses for the chute re-pack, the Bo has those wheels that go up and down that require occasional component overhauls (those go more by cycles rather than hours or calendar time, difficult to reflect in a budget).
I would think so as well, but I hear these stories about Cirri having routine $5,000 annuals because of the various avionics items that need to be tested and batteries replaced. A Bo can have a $5,000 annual here and there as well, of course, but most people seem to budget about $2,000 for those.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus G5 Announcement Tomorrow Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 19:40 |
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Username Protected wrote:
If you operate both with the same maintenance philosophy, there should not be much of a difference in ongoing cost.
The Cirri have the $1200 or so you have to roll into your yearly fixed expenses for the chute re-pack, the Bo has those wheels that go up and down that require occasional component overhauls (those go more by cycles rather than hours or calendar time, difficult to reflect in a budget).
I would think so as well, but I hear these stories about Cirri having routine $5,000 annuals because of the various avionics items that need to be tested and batteries replaced. A Bo can have a $5,000 annual here and there as well, of course, but most people seem to budget about $2,000 for those.
For the SR20 I had both annuals were just over $2K. I do know a SR22 owner who states his annuals are 10K a year. But each time I have been in his plane there is something new or changed and he says, I got that as part of the annual. (e.g. adding a 496, upgrading the A/P....).
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