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 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."
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Awwww, be nice guys. Arrows are harmless critters.

Somewhere, an Arrow is somebody's pride and joy.

I've got several hundred hours in the 2 and 3, and they are nice flying, tame, forgiving airplanes that make really nice instrument platforms. And they'll take a licking, and keep on ticking.

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 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."
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Awwww, be nice guys. Arrows are harmless critters.

Somewhere, an Arrow is somebody's pride and joy.

I've got several hundred hours in the 2 and 3, and they are nice flying, tame, forgiving airplanes that make really nice instrument platforms. And they'll take a licking, and keep on ticking.

Best,
Rich
They're just fine. But to say the Arrow "may have replaced the Bonanza..." is like saying "fat girls may have replaced skinny girls."

Depends on what you mean by "replaced."


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."
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Awwww, be nice guys. Arrows are harmless critters.

Somewhere, an Arrow is somebody's pride and joy.

I've got several hundred hours in the 2 and 3, and they are nice flying, tame, forgiving airplanes that make really nice instrument platforms. And they'll take a licking, and keep on ticking.

Best,
Rich
They're just fine. But to say the Arrow "may have replaced the Bonanza..." is like saying "fat girls may have replaced skinny girls."

Depends on what you mean by "replaced."


Well, according to an ex-girlfriend of mine "men are as faithful as their opportunities", so there you go. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."
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Mike just got checked out in an Arrow last weekend while th 36 is in for overhaul.

It was an old FBO training dog. Long in the tooth. To add insult to injury, it was baby blue.

He is looking forward to getting the Beech product back in the air.

................and no room in the back seat for your knees.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."
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My very limited experience is that the turbo Arrow is a lot better performer than the na Arrow.


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Hi again, Bob-

I pretty much agree with Spike; there may be a lot of Arrows out there serving their training mission, but in my mind that does not equate to replacing the Bonanza as the ubiquitous single-engine retractable. A quick check of FlightAware a few minutes ago yielded the following numbers of planes being tracked in the US:

BE33 - 4
BE35 - 10
BE36 - 20

P28R - 3
P28T - 1

Regards,

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Bob, I am not surprised by your sample whatsoever. I was really taken back by the magazine comment, and found it hard to believe. :liar:

Many of you responded here with something like: :box: :box: :box: "Depends on what you mean by..." :box: :box: :box: So, please allow me to clarify; :hide: I didn't mean anything, it wasn't me! All I said was; "Is this true?" looking for sound refute. The body of the post jumped off of the first paragraph of the Aviation Consumer Magazine article, and I copied it.

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I owned and flew a 74 Arrow 200 for eleven years. Took the kids to and from college, trips to the a Bahamas. A most under appreciated and understood aircraft on this forum.
140 TAS , 11 GPH, 715 lbs useful load after 50gal full fuel.
If a Bo isn't in your budget this is a wonderful aircraft despite any naysayers here. Ask it to do what it was designed to do and you will be a rewarded and happy camper. Great IFR platform.
Find a good one is the key to success.
Would I own one again if that was in the budget? It would be my first choice.no doubt before anything else of similar power and design .


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I owned and flew a 74 Arrow 200 for eleven years. Took the kids to and from college, trips to the a Bahamas. A most under appreciated and understood aircraft on this forum.
140 TAS , 11 GPH, 715 lbs useful load after 50gal full fuel.
If a Bo isn't in your budget this is a wonderful aircraft despite any naysayers here. Ask it to do what it was designed to do and you will be a rewarded and happy camper. Great IFR platform.
Find a good one is the key to success.
Would I own one again if that was in the budget? It would be my first choice.no doubt before anything else of similar power and design .

+10. Well said. The earliest 200 models performed the best.

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Owned two 180 arrows and then a Turbo Arrow 111 Great airplane for the cost and economy of use. yet when I took aride in a deb I got spoiled. The Beech is compatiable in cost and for MPG pretty close. But the solid feel and comfort of the BO makes the smaller cost differencwe worth it I would not go back Love the feel and the prominence a Bo gives

Look at a arrow taxiiing out and then look at the Bo no comparision

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Are you guys actually beliving the media ? :pullhair:

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The earliest 200 models performed the best.


Arrows come in quite a few different flavors.

I owned a 1969 200 hp Arrow which had the short hershey bar bar wing and the small tail. When I purchased the plane I thought I was buying a poor mans Bonanza. I couldn't have been more wrong. It flew like a piece of plywood and landed like a pair of pliers with 3 wheels attached. I will admit that over time I grew to like it but it was not much of a pilots airplane. I only kept it a couple of years.

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Robert, I have never heard an airplane described like your arrow. :coffee:


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The earliest 200 models performed the best.


Arrows come in quite a few different flavors.

I owned a 1969 200 hp Arrow which had the short hershey bar bar wing and the small tail. When I purchased the plane I thought I was buying a poor mans Bonanza. I couldn't have been more wrong. It flew like a piece of plywood and landed like a pair of pliers with 3 wheels attached. I will admit that over time I grew to like it but it was not much of a pilots airplane. I only kept it a couple of years.

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4 years ago I started renting a 1998 arrow because I knew I wanted to buy a bonanza or a mooney and needed the retract time. 90 hrs in one I thought of buying one, then I flew a Mooney 231 and the F35 I own. While the Mooney was turbo I never went above 8k in it. seeing 155 kias on the same fuel that an Eros shows 135 I quickly relized, while the arrow is a good trainer it is nothing special in my opinion. Having almost 60 hours in my bonanza it amazes me. Think about this, because mine is so old it has quite a bit in common with an arrow. Both have a 2750 GW, 200HP arrow 205HP in the bonanza, 4seats. In my experience the arrow was a 130 knot airplane on 10.5-11 gph, I did a 4 way GPS pattern to figure my speed in the bonanza and on 11.5 was 147 all while being 43 years older

Great stepping stone but why would anyone own one.


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Hi again, Bob-

I pretty much agree with Spike; there may be a lot of Arrows out there serving their training mission, but in my mind that does not equate to replacing the Bonanza as the ubiquitous single-engine retractable. A quick check of FlightAware a few minutes ago yielded the following numbers of planes being tracked in the US:

BE33 - 4
BE35 - 10
BE36 - 20

P28R - 3
P28T - 1

Regards,

Bob


Bob, I am not surprised by your sample whatsoever. I was really taken back by the magazine comment, and found it hard to believe. :liar:

Many of you responded here with something like: :box: :box: :box: "Depends on what you mean by..." :box: :box: :box: So, please allow me to clarify; :hide: I didn't mean anything, it wasn't me! All I said was; "Is this true?" looking for sound refute. The body of the post jumped off of the first paragraph of the Aviation Consumer Magazine article, and I copied it.

Rob


When I lived in MT, a Bo was a rare sight. I called FBOs all over the area to find one to show to my wife before I purchased one ( so she knew what I was buying ) I finally found one when a local FBO called me in when an early model arrived for some MX. In 4 years of hanging out at MT airports, that was the 2nd one I'd ever seen there. There were several Arrows around. At my current airport, which is roughly about the same size as my MT airport, I know there's 5 Bonanzas based there maybe more, and it's rare that I don't see a transient one stop in for fuel if I hang out at the airport for any length of time.

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