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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 21:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Personally, I'm glad for any certified aircraft to be built and hope it's extremely successful and finds a market with tremendous demand. I wish the best also, but I do hope they put good lights on this airplane because it is so damn ugly nobody will want to be seen flying it in the daylight. Can you imagine the pilots embarrassment when he has to park that thing next to a V tail Bonanza He will probably get out with a paper bag over his head. Robert
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 21:23 |
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Pipistrel Panthera is a better looking piece of vaporware and the vapor specs are better also.
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 22:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Reminds me of a Navion. +1
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 23:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Reminds me of a Navion. I was thinking Grumman Tiger / Cirrus combo !
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 19 Sep 2012, 23:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: So, this Brazilian manufacturer is going to make a 4 seat airplane where you can fill each seat, put in full gas, and be within performance bounds. Hmmm. I can do that in my Bonanza! With 70 lbs. of bags too. Somehow, they are going to make it light enough to allow a 1600 lb. useful load, and it will go almost 200 kts. too. It will also be pressurized (adds weight to any airframe). Aircraft design is all about compromise (that dirty word). It is hard to go fast AND carry a big load, to pressurize and make the airframe light. The laws of physics have not changed since the 1940's when the Model 35 first debuted. I will believe it when I see it. I agree....how many times have we heard these same claims .... A flash In the pan...let's see where they are in 2 years when things develop into a real development effort. They always get heavier, more expensive, and slower. Walt had it right....besides I hate plastic airplanes. Give me bendable, durable, maintainable aluminum and rivet anyday! Dc
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 00:00 |
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First thought ... ugly.  Maybe the Chinese will invest in it.
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 06:55 |
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So the race is on! Will the restyled DA-50 make it to market before this one? Both pressurized but the DA-50 will have provision for three in the rear.
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 20 Sep 2012, 06:56 |
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Nice to see a new design out there. There probably is a niche market out there for a pressurized model. They should probably align themselves to use a diesel such as the austro as an option.
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 21 Sep 2012, 22:16 |
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Quote: I wish the best also, but I do hope they put good lights on this airplane because it is so damn ugly nobody will want to be seen flying it in the daylight. Robert Each one could come standard equipped with a fake mustache and thick glasses for incognito travel during the day.
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Post subject: Re: Composite 4-place retractable gear high performance sing Posted: 22 Sep 2012, 12:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: After touring the Mooney factory, we saw firsthand how obsolete the equipment there is.
A diesel-electric hybrid Mooney (with a 4" cabin width plug) would be a great seller. A hybrid has 2 primary ways it saves fuel - energy recovery during braking, and running the combustion engine at more efficient throttle/rpm settings. Given that we effectively fly at constant and high power settings, a hybrid would offer little if anything at all.
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