BeechTalk - BT - Last F-22 Raptor jet

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 00:16

Username Protected wrote:

Production of the F-22 Raptor has ended. Sort of a symbol of US air dominance. Instead they will replace it with F-35 and sell them to other Countries. :thumbdown:

Correct. Today it is all drones to spy on U.S. (and have a mid-air with only one side hurt), and Super Tucanos to finally shoot us down without warning if we happen to fly where they deem we should not. Brave new world.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 08:45

Username Protected wrote:

And it's a twin, too! :eek:

John

Looks cool, but I bet it won't run LOP.

Alan Bradley

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 09:23

The YF-23 was a better looking plane than the F-22 and out preformed it in all but one area during the fly off. (what there was of it, the 22's mockups both crashed) The person whom selected the F-22 for the military had previously worked on the board for lockeed and so did his wife. I guy named Dick Chenny whom worked for both the first and second bushes. So the airforce now has a plane that was bought without kicking the tires first and the F-35 was pushed down the same path by the same folks when Bush jr was president. The F-22 has been grounded for over a year for Obogs issues. Its a circle jerk with no end in sight.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 11:51

Username Protected wrote:

The YF-23 was a better looking plane than the F-22 and out preformed it in all but one area during the fly off. (what there was of it, the 22's mockups both crashed) The person whom selected the F-22 for the military had previously worked on the board for lockeed and so did his wife. I guy named Dick Chenny whom worked for both the first and second bushes. So the airforce now has a plane that was bought without kicking the tires first and the F-35 was pushed down the same path by the same folks when Bush jr was president. The F-22 has been grounded for over a year for Obogs issues. Its a circle jerk with no end in sight.

Perhaps you have an association with Northrup/McDonnell Douglas . . . no?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 13:22

Greg i formed my first thoughts on the Raptor in the early 90's i was in tac at the time. I was very surprised when lockeed won the contract. Did not have anything to do with were i work now. I like airplanes, have since i was a kid. How many single points of failure does the F-35b vstol have in it? The lift fan, gearbox, engine, variable axis augmentor? I am not sure about the various little doors that have to open right on time to make things work. Oh don't forget the flight computer it has to be ok also. All of this to be maintained by a bunch of high school kids. I rebuilt F-15 augmentors for three years it is a dirty nasty job. The F-35b is going to be a nightmare.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 14:04

Username Protected wrote:

Greg i formed my first thoughts on the Raptor in the early 90's i was in tac at the time. I was very surprised when lockeed won the contract. Did not have anything to do with were i work now. I like airplanes, have since i was a kid. How many single points of failure does the F-35b vstol have in it? The lift fan, gearbox, engine, variable axis augmentor? I am not sure about the various little doors that have to open right on time to make things work. Oh don't forget the flight computer it has to be ok also. All of this to be maintained by a bunch of high school kids. I rebuilt F-15 augmentors for three years it is a dirty nasty job. The F-35b is going to be a nightmare.

Cool.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 23:01

Username Protected wrote:

The F-22 has been grounded for over a year for Obogs issues. .

Please check your facts. The F-22 is not grounded right now. It was grounded beginning in May for approx 4 months. It is flying again. Don't know where you came up with it being grounded for a year and currently grounded.

Also, it may not be an OBOGs issue. That is still TBD.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Dec 2011, 23:44

Despite any issues there is nothing remotely close to the performance of the F-22!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Dec 2011, 00:41

Sigh the F-22 is the hottest thing since an ex wife and a judge in her lawyers pocket. It has been ungrounded a few times in the past year only to be grounded again for the same issues now the have a fix for the (non issue with the obogs) that only cost 74 million per plane. thats after all the money they spent buying them in the first place. Give it a break. here is a short story on it.

http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2011/1 ... -f-22-fix/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Dec 2011, 16:16

Plane malfunctions don't seem to matter; it's always the pilot's fault!

Best,

Dave
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A U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board (AIB) report is blaming the Nov. 16, 2010, crash of an F-22 Raptor on Capt. Jeff "Bong" Haney - despite a malfunction of the jet's bleed air intakes, which caused an automatic shutdown of multiple aircraft systems including the primary oxygen system.

An aircraft's engine bleed air system extracts air from a jet engine's compressor section to generate power and supply gases for an aircraft's life support system, among other systems.

The AIB report confirms Defense News' Sept. 8 report, in which an industry source and a pilot both said that a bleed air malfunction had caused the crash by shutting down the oxygen system. The AIB, however, places the blame on Haney for not reacting quickly enough to activate the jet's emergency oxygen system or recover from a dive he inadvertently entered into as he struggled to regain his air supply.

"I find the cause of the mishap was the MP's [mishap pilot] failure to recognize and initiate a timely dive recovery due to channelized attention, breakdown of visual scan and unrecognized spatial disorientation," wrote Brig. Gen. James Browne, president of the AIB.

The F-22's On-board Oxygen Generating System (OBOGS), which supplies breathing air to the pilot and has been under investigation for most of the year, did not malfunction and wasn't a contributing factor, the report said. But the crucial device did shut down because of the bleed-air problem. In September, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz said oxygen had not played any role in the crash.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =AME&s=AIR