Someday, the twin argument just needs to go away. Show me where single engine airplanes are falling out of the sky more than twins are....

Show me where PC12's are having more accidents due to engine failure than KA's...

Bottom line, you can't prove it because it's not happening. Fly what you want to fly. Fly what makes you happy. Fly what makes you feel warm and fuzzy. I have yet to see anyone here on either side converted by the single v. twin argument.

There's a reason PC12's cost so much more than KA's.

Just use models that are 10 years old.

But I won't buy anything that's not "glass".

You fly a baron and lose an engine above 500ft, you have normal training, you will make it because you will do the procedure, turn around and land.

How high do you need to be in your SE to achiveve the same safety ?

How can you say a SE is safer ? I don't get it.

Jason, have you thought that through? Day VFR maybe so. 600 - 2, 100 miles in every direction? Night with a 1000 -3? I suspect you are a much more proficient pilot that I am. Losing the only engine I have even at 13,000 would cause me great concern. 600-2, I am not going to be in that situation. If you can always fly day VFR in flat country it would be hard to justify the expense of another engine in the piston world. Again, I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. I have not had a SE or ME come down in my back yard due to engine failure lately. You choose to accept the additional risk (if there is any) and I do not. You do not have to keep justifying your choice to fly a SE. I am not justifying my choice either, in fact I choose to not deal with the choice. You keep bringing up the cost / risk. I do not factor in the cost. I ride a motorcycle and that is a lot riskier than flying a SE. I do not try to tell people it is not risky, it is. I choose to take the risk and I do not try to convince non riders it is safe because it is not. I either take the risk or don't ride. I do believe in the hands of a proficient pilot a twin is at least as safe as a single therefore I fly twins. If I had to fly a single to be able to fly I might feel different but, right now I don't. Many fly a single because they have to, to be able to fly, not all but, many. It seems that some want me to believe they fly a single because it is as safe as a twin. To those people I tell them I ride a motorcycle because it is cheaper on gas and just as safe as a car. Again, I am not trying to convince you of anything. Single engine, twin, three holer, heck, just enjoy and above all be safe!

Look, you're narrowing your reason for owning a twin just for 1 event at 500ft? If you can limit the argument to 500 ft, I can limit the argument to 1 foot.

There are 1000 things that will kill us in our airplanes. You can't try to make it look cut and dry.

Look, you're narrowing your reason for owning a twin just for 1 event at 500ft? If you can limit the argument to 500 ft, I can limit the argument to 1 foot.

There are 1000 things that will kill us in our airplanes. You can't try to make it look cut and dry.

I don't fly at night. I don't think anyone needs to fly at night.

I don't fly in bad weather. This is very easy to accomplish in the SE United States.

Like I said, if my mission were the north atlantic, I'd have a twin. I don't think there is anywhere in the United States that requires a twin. But fly what you want. I love looking at twins land and take off.

On 1 engine you mean ? Just kidding

On 1 engine you mean ? Just kidding

I don't fly at night. I don't think anyone needs to fly at night.

I don't fly in bad weather. This is very easy to accomplish in the SE United States.

Like I said, if my mission were the north atlantic, I'd have a twin. I don't think there is anywhere in the United States that requires a twin. But fly what you want. I love looking at twins land and take off.

Jason, I don't know whether to take your statements serious or not. If you don't fly IFR or at night then, well I am not sure what to say. That is not very realistic for most people who use their plane for transportation. I am not sure how you schedule a meeting for two weeks from today and know the weather will be VFR. As far as night, that is going to make a pretty short day in the winter time. If we are limiting this discussion to day VFR over flat land then the best advice might be to sell the plane. It has been a nice discussion but, it seems to be moving toward the rediculous. Have a nice day and be safe.

Ronnie

Hmm, not sure what to say.

I make meetings all the time 2 weeks in advance. It's never been a problem. I know what the weather will be 24 hours in advance. If it's gonna be bad, I leave a day early and spend the night. Why is this so hard to believe?

Yes, 95% of my flights are day VFR. 95% of the days in the SE are VFR.

Jason, most business people will not spend that kind of money and then have to spend 2-3 days on the road waiting for VFR weather on what should have been a half day including the meeting. If I and most of the other pilots on the turbine page tried this their job would be good for about a week. If it works for you that is fine. You are an exception, not the norm. Winter time in the southeast will not be VFR 95% of the time. You have taken a discussion on twin vs single and put parameters for one narrow isolated case. What you propose will not work for most corporate operations. In fact it is rediculous what you propose. Nobody but me is even responding to this because I think they know you are just trying to jerk my chain. Don't pee on my leg and try to convince me it is raining. Sheesh, I can't believe I am even responding to this.

I'm not trying to make this personal. Nobody is responding because the topic has been rehashed here a million times and I'm the only one still willing to do it.

I'm a business person. I own the airplane and the company. I'm also the chief pilot for the company. I'm IFR and ME rated. I'm not jerking your chain. I don't know where you fly out of because your profile is not filled out so I don't know your mission.

I use my airplane 99% for business. So, I know it's possible to plan business trips around weather. I promise I'm not trying that hard to pull this off.

Who said anything about sitting around 2 or 3 days for VFR weather? I've never done that either.