BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 16:30

The advancement of GA in America came from some great visionaries with tremendous will and entrepreneurial spirit. It's going to be difficult for a foreign entity to acquire a company like that and maintain those intangibles. The brain power at the top always disappears.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:13

So here we go, a Cirrus with a Continental diesel made in China.
you though TCM had crappy cylinders, just wait. :eek:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:15

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They won't let their people have internet but they're gonna let them have airplanes?

You're thinking like an American who can still pretend there's no class system here (people like W. Buffett are really good at perpetuating that idea) and that anybody can do anything if they work hard enough, etc. Not so in China; the class distinction are right up front, at least in the big cities. If you're somebody there, you ride around in a chauffeur-driven Audi A6L and deal very little with the commoners. There are a HELL of a lot of somebodies, more every time I visit. None of them care about the internet, but they have sizable appetites for personal comfort and cool toys.

Audi A8's don't get loaded with TNT and fly themselves into government buildings. That's where I was going.

The Chinese government doesn't trust it's people. America hardly trusts it's people. I'm not talking about them wanting planes. I'm talking about the government letting them have them.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:16

If you don't come out with new models very often, but just drop a new Garmin box in every once in a while, it doesn't take much R and D or engineering or innovation or brains.

The FAA has effectively killed all normal functioning of the GA market -- you can see it in the shrinking market, the soaring costs, and the stalled innovation. Maybe a more de-regulated economy can save it (even in a totalitarian state)

Unfortunately, Made in America doesn't mean much anymore -- half the time when you buy a toaster bearing that proud sticker the thing don't work at all.

Made in Germany might still mean something, not sure.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:28

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Audi A8's don't get loaded with TNT and fly themselves into government buildings. That's where I was going.

Oh. Never mind. :-)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:30

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Audi A8's don't get loaded with TNT and fly themselves into government buildings. That's where I was going.

Oh. Never mind. :-)

Do you agree?

I've never been to China. Is the Chinese government really gonna let thousands of Chinese fly Cirri all over China

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:43

I want to know why they are training thousands of pilots in the US.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:44

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I want to know why they are training thousands of pilots in the US.

"They" being China?

How do you know this?

I always hear middle easterners on the radio. Just saying'.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:47

That is interesting.

The Chinese have also bought Brantly Helicopter and Superior Engines. Next will be Beechcraft.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 17:53

Username Protected wrote:

That is interesting.

The Chinese have also bought Brantly Helicopter and Superior Engines. Next will be Beechcraft.

OK, just because the "Chinese" buy up a U.S. company because it's cheap and bankrupt doesn't have to mean it's bad business nor does it mean China is going to explode with GA pilots. They could add thousands of pilots without owning an aviation company. I'm sure Cirrus would be more than happy to sell a bazillion SR22's to the Chinese.

China doesn't have an FAA so they don;t have any regulations to meet in China. Is it cheaper for them to buy Cirrus than to just build their own plane?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 18:03

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Do you agree? I've never been to China. Is the Chinese government really gonna let thousands of Chinese fly Cirri all over China

Eventually, yes. The tight restrictions on GA seem to be more about accommodating the military than concern about terror. But there is now a civil aviation authority which seems to be very much promoting GA in China. The western press made a big deal out of it when they opened up some airspace last year, but its going to take a long while before it resembles US or even European GA. There's no VFR in China; everything is on a flight plan and pilots get vectored and re-vectored by military ATC at their will. Just two weeks ago they opened up a test area over Hainan Island, which is sort of the Hawaii of China, in which a few helicopters will be allowed to make VFR, no-flight plan flights while under 1000m (3300 feet). Like most liberal reform in China, they will make little tiny moves for a long time and then one day a damn will burst and there will be a big GA boom.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 18:11

Aren't most of the Ipad parts made in China? :hide:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 18:12

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I've never been to China.

Pity.....you're missing out on thee best chinese food in the world! :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 18:15

Username Protected wrote:

I've never been to China.

Pity.....you're missing out on thee best chinese food in the world! :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Feb 2011, 18:16

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Eventually, yes. The tight restrictions on GA seem to be more about accommodating the military than concern about terror. But there is now a civil aviation authority which seems to be very much promoting GA in China. The western press made a big deal out of it when they opened up some airspace last year, but its going to take a long while before it resembles US or even European GA. There's no VFR in China; everything is on a flight plan and pilots get vectored and re-vectored by military ATC at their will. Just two weeks ago they opened up a test area over Hainan Island, which is sort of the Hawaii of China, in which a few helicopters will be allowed to make VFR, no-flight plan flights while under 1000m (3300 feet). Like most liberal reform in China, they will make little tiny moves for a long time and then one day a damn will burst and there will be a big GA boom.

I just don't see how this is a bad thing. Unless it backfires and makes GA look even worse.

If GA boomed in China and they were all flying Cirri, how does this affect Avgas?

Cirrus sold to Chinese