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And James Bond from Thunderball (though, not a Herc):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxkUL8GoPQo


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More on the Fulton system and other things:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/qkNiOjJvlS4[/youtube]

They were picking up as much as 1500 lbs. The snatch is pretty high G forces.

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Point of clarification.

The video referenced above is a Fulton Surface To Air Revovery (STAR) system, but it was a beefed up system, and the test program was named Project 46.

The original Fulton system was installed in a number of different platforms in its history.

The USAF installed the system on some HC-130 and some, but not all MC-130E model aircraft (I flew both versions of the MC-130E, with and without the Fulton system installed).

The original system was designed for 1 or 2 men, or up to 500lbs of cargo. That’s normally what you see in the movies (James Bond, The Green Berets, Batman, etc.)

Project 46 was program to lift a 6 man Special Forces team or 1,500lbs of cargo. I had good friends who flew those test missions. All the equipment was beefed up to handle the extra load. Once the test program was completed and validated the aircraft was deconfigured and the entire STAR system was cancelled in the early 1990s.

BTW, the G forces for the initial capture and pull on the package were always advertised to be about 3 instantaneous Gs. If you look at the geometry of the recovery, the package initial goes almost straight up, but once under tow, the package floats along behind the aircraft. Intercept and recovery speed in the MC-130E procedures was 125 KIAS, until the package was secured on board.

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And James Bond from Thunderball (though, not a Herc):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxkUL8GoPQo


The Fulton pick up of Bond and his girl friend in Thunderball was based on a real CIA Operation Cold Feet. The CIA parachuted a couple of guys onto an abandoned Soviet ice flow to retrieve their equipment left behind in haste.

They used a B-17 modified with the Fulton Skyhook to snatch them off the ice flow. The operation was flown by the CIA's Intermountain Airways, the genesis of Evergreen International Airlines.

The B-17 is pictured on Evergreen's ramp in Marana , Arizona. It was in Evergreen's Air and Space Museum for a long time, then sold.


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And James Bond from Thunderball (though, not a Herc):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxkUL8GoPQo


The Fulton pick up of Bond and his girl friend in Thunderball was based on a real CIA Operation Cold Feet. The CIA parachuted a couple of guys onto an abandoned Soviet ice flow to retrieve their equipment left behind in haste.

They used a B-17 modified with the Fulton Skyhook to snatch them off the ice flow. The operation was flown by the CIA's Intermountain Airways, the genesis of Evergreen International Airlines.

The B-17 is pictured on Evergreen's ramp in Marana , Arizona. It was in Evergreen's Air and Space Museum for a long time, then sold.


Interesting. So, I wonder how they got the snagged person onboard, without a rear cargo ramp? Open bomb bay doors?

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A hatch was made replacing the tail gunner's position. Here's a link to the story.

https://www.robertnovell.com/evergreens ... r-22-2017/

Evergreen's B-17 was originally registered as N809Z when operated by Intermountain Airways, but reregistered as N207EV to reflect the EV in all Evergreen owned airplanes.

The Collings Foundation bought it to replace their B-17 "909" lost in an accident. I hope they take good care of it; it has a lot of history.


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