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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 18:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: Seem's like it's more of an endorsement for the Epic than a real criticism of the Cirrus. The Cirrus compares a lot better to a TBM and is much cheaper.
The numbers for the Epic are excellent no doubt. It doesn’t compare in any respect to a TBM. it’s shorter legged. it’s slower. It’s lower (28 vs 31). I think it’s less comfortable. It requires an annual 61.58 ride (more dollars). I’d never pick it over a TBM.
Well, nobody is getting a new TBM for less than $5 million these days so that makes sense. I would also be skeptical that the E-1000 is really only 3.5 million now.
Also a point not made much, but the Cirrus Jet fits in a standard T hangar, I believe.
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 18:42 |
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Joined: 09/12/11 Posts: 4321 Post Likes: +2330 Company: RPM Aircraft Service Location: Gaithersburg MD KGAI
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Username Protected wrote: There's always been a tradeoff between easy-flying airplanes and best-performing airplanes. My Citation kind of does both. Easy to fly, 420 knots. Quote: It's really the same argument made for jets.... Things do a get lot more complicated to go faster than my plane, for example, swept wings. The SF-50 is slow because it is altitude limited because it has only one engine. Thick air prevents it from flying fast. Mike C. The wing on that thing is awful thick as well. Part of the issue as well with speed. But the upside is we have a lot more 27-year old's checking the jet fuel on their app while driving their tesla to the airport and calling themselves "Jet Captains"
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 19:14 |
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Joined: 04/13/18 Posts: 217 Post Likes: +175
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I had a chance to right seat a Cirrus jet this past weekend and walked away pretty impressed.
Decent speeds, compelling avionics, auto throttle, autoland, parachute, and internet for 3.5mm (and as I understand from my owner friend, reasonable insurance for a jet).
4 adults and 2 kids+ bags and far more space than an M600 or Epic. Not to mention the insane field of view/visibility.
Are there planes with better speed and range? Of course. Are there any with this balance of safety and capability for a single pilot?
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 21:00 |
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1-The video is now private. 2 - …because it has only one engine and everyone knows twins are faster, safer, and better!? …maybe that should have been in green!
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 21:20 |
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I didn't get to watch the video before it went private, but as we know Austin has an Evolution. I had an interesting chat a few months ago with another pilot who sold his Evo to buy a Cirrus Jet, flew it for a year, then leapt at a chance to buy back his Evo and sold the jet for more than he paid for it. His wife was mad, she loved the Potato Jet, but he hated it.
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 21:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'll try to summarize for those who didn't see it.
1) The plane is too wide for it's length, it's inefficient because it has too much frontal surface area creating too much drag 2) The engine is too small and doesn't move enough air mass which is inefficient and therefore it burns much more fuel for the amount of thrust generated vs the turboprop. 3) The wing is too thick and jets should have swept wings because they can get closer to mach 1 to take advantage of super charged air at the engine inlet which increases efficiency.
Other points... useful load is half the turboprop, take off and landing distance is twice the turboprop, fuel burn is twice the turboprop, range is poor unless the seats in back are empty. No wonder the waiting list is years long.  Personally, I think the Cirrus Jet is an ideal step-up for the SR-22, Bonanza, or RV-10 owner who wants to go faster, higher, and farther. I'd love to have one.
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 21:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: I didn't get to watch the video before it went private, but as we know Austin has an Evolution. I happen to own N842X, formerly Austin's Columbia 400.
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 21:47 |
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Joined: 12/27/11 Posts: 140 Post Likes: +46 Location: Lexington, MA
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Username Protected wrote: I'll try to summarize for those who didn't see it.
1) The plane is too wide for it's length, it's inefficient because it has too much frontal surface area creating too much drag 2) The engine is too small and doesn't move enough air mass which is inefficient and therefore it burns much more fuel for the amount of thrust generated vs the turboprop. 3) The wing is too thick and jets should have swept wings because they can get closer to mach 1 to take advantage of super charged air at the engine inlet which increases efficiency.
Other points... useful load is half the turboprop, take off and landing distance is twice the turboprop, fuel burn is twice the turboprop, range is poor unless the seats in back are empty. Good summary, although you missed the exaggerated references to being a Chinese company. 
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Post subject: Re: Why is the Cirrus Jet so slow? Posted: 03 Jan 2023, 23:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'll try to summarize for those who didn't see it.
1) The plane is too wide for it's length, it's inefficient because it has too much frontal surface area creating too much drag 2) The engine is too small and doesn't move enough air mass which is inefficient and therefore it burns much more fuel for the amount of thrust generated vs the turboprop. 3) The wing is too thick and jets should have swept wings because they can get closer to mach 1 to take advantage of super charged air at the engine inlet which increases efficiency.
Other points... useful load is half the turboprop, take off and landing distance is twice the turboprop, fuel burn is twice the turboprop, range is poor unless the seats in back are empty. Spent a lot of time in them at Osh last summer and was convinced it was a solid option for me until I spoke w a couple of owners. You summed it up correctly. Very limited useful and hot and high performance sucks.
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