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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 30 Aug 2021, 15:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: The backseat on the MD is terrible and many have no air conditioning. We ended up with this and it also flies like a Ferrari but has 7 series comfort for passengers. It is so easy and nice to fly. No joke, it could be a primary trainer. Probably costs as much as several truckloads of Ferraris. 
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 30 Aug 2021, 21:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: The backseat on the MD is terrible and many have no air conditioning. We ended up with this and it also flies like a Ferrari but has 7 series comfort for passengers. It is so easy and nice to fly. No joke, it could be a primary trainer. Probably costs as much as several truckloads of Ferraris.  To purchase, no.
To operate and maintain, that's another story...
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 08:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I've always loved the Hughes 500. As a kid I used to make drawings of it and built a plastic model of the OH-6. I had that model! I built it with a little electric motor and batteries to swing the main rotor. That was a fun toy.
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 08:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Agusta dinner last night Wow Michael, beautiful. Next time include a picture of the Agusta......................................
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 23:38 |
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You win. No one can up you! That is a GORGEOUS helicopter but some people are blocking the view.
Where's IceMan?
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 13:09 |
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Joined: 05/13/15 Posts: 166 Post Likes: +47 Location: Fontana, California
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I maintained a MD500E for 5 years (I work as an A/P for a local police department air support unit). We have since replaced it with an Airbus H125. The H125 has much more performance, comfort, maintainability, parts availability, and customer support. But buying a new or used H125 is WAY more expensive than a used 500.
The MD500 series is indeed a pilots helicopter, and flying in one with the doors off is an awesome experience. The engine start of a 500 is the quintessential turbine engine sound. But they are not very maintenance friendly. Many components are buried under or inside other components, and the engine is mounted at a 45 degree angle (its odd to work on). The main rotor head is time limited, and can be difficult and sometimes impossible to source if time is an issue (the last one I replaced took 9 months to get). The one thing that made me nervous was sitting in the back seats.....there is not much room back there, and the drive shaft is spinning right next to your head at probably 5000 rpm.....if it comes apart your only protected by a flimsy piece of interior (to be fair I've never heard of this happening....probably just paranoid). I don't have any recent personal experience with MD, but I know several operators that do, and they say parts availability is a real issue. MD (the company) is currently up for sale, and they are going through some tough times.
The 500E and its engine have 100 hour inspections, which takes a couple of guys a couple of days. Then every 300 hours is the large inspection with takes a couple of guys 2 to 3 weeks. I don't recall if there were calendar limitations to those inspections (like 100 hours or 12 months, or 300 hours or 24 months.....whichever comes first). We were constantly chasing engine oil leaks. We would joke that if it wasn't leaking oil its because the oil tank was empty. With all that being said, they are great helicopters...our pilots loved to fly them.
If I was in the $300,000 to $500,000 helicopter market I would be looking for a Bell 206. Bell is almost always #1 in customer satisfaction, and parts availability. There are tons of parts available (OEM and aftermarket PMA and STC'd) and lots of mechanics know the 206 very well. Even an 1980's to 1990's Airbus AS350BA or B2 would be a good choice...possibly in the $500,000 to $700,000 range.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 21:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: I highly recommend reading Low Level Hell, by Hugh Mills. It's a great read about OH-6 Loach scouts in Vietnam, by an author who knows how to tell a story (and describe an aircraft without sounding like the engineer who built it). One certainly comes away from the book with an impression of an immensely strong airframe (photos of hitting a "snag" tree at over 100kts, and the author being shot down three times in one day!). Recently, I completed my A&P syllabus for helicopters, which validated that view of the design - it's a flying roll cage.
Another aspect of the ship that Mills' book conveys is how nimble they are. All swing-wing drivers have heard the Ferrari comparison, with none of that messy hydraulic to wipe up, but two instances in the book come to mind: during initial in-country check out, a senior scout pilot shows then-junior author how to fly right down next to soldiers foot prints to detect which direction troops were moving on the trail; and second, a suspicious rice farmer who dodged being detained was chased down by the helicopter, knocked down into the mud, and the helo's skid positioned across his chest until US troops could make their way through the mud to detain him. Great flying, and great reading. I sold a Cessna 195 to Hugh Mills a few years ago. You will not find a nicer and more humble man. He was incredible to work with and I really enjoyed getting to know him throughout the transaction. It wasn't until the end of the deal where he let it slip that he had written a book about his time in Vietnam so I picked it up a few days later. He is an incredible writer! -Neal
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 08 Dec 2021, 02:20 |
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Kiwi chopper pilots were/are nuts, IMHO! Don't believe me? Read - " The chopper boys : New Zealand's helicopter hunters" by Rex Forrester, if you can get your hands on a copy! 
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 14 Dec 2021, 12:45 |
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I have some UH1 time but would LOVE to get time in a loach. Magnificent performers and an amazing legacy from RVN. There are several flying around here contracted out by the state to kill wild hogs.
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Post subject: Re: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training) Posted: 08 Jun 2024, 14:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Agusta dinner last night OK, now you're just showing off!
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