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 Post subject: Re: SLS Test Firing Today; 8 Min Run Planned
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SLS is the last gasping breath of 20th century spaceflight. Better, and much less expensive designs, based on new innovative thinking have already made it obsolete. We will likely see it fly, but it will inevitably be replaced, probably by Starship, fairly quickly as those alternatives become available.

i think we will see it fly because of political will to waste as much money as possible. But the day it flies it will already be obsolete compared to private industry. Better to cut the losses and shoot it in the head now, but that'll never happen.


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 Post subject: Re: SLS Test Firing Today; 8 Min Run Planned
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I grew up near the Stennis Test Center, so seeing the test stands back in action was kind of sentimental to me. My mom even worked on the facility for USN NRL.

I hadn't kept up on NASA or the SLS project, so didn't know about the background on the engines or the program. Kind of sad.

My dad, who worked on the Saturn V rockets that were tested there back in the day, kind of laughed at NASA hyping up the SLS's power and warning residents about the noise and vibration on test day, but they are a fraction of the Saturn V first stage that used to be tested. My parents didn't even hear the test Saturday and wondered if it got cancelled. When I was younger the shuttle engine test would sometimes rattle the windows.


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I grew up near the Stennis Test Center, so seeing the test stands back in action was kind of sentimental to me. My mom even worked on the facility for USN NRL.

I hadn't kept up on NASA or the SLS project, so didn't know about the background on the engines or the program. Kind of sad.

My dad, who worked on the Saturn V rockets that were tested there back in the day, kind of laughed at NASA hyping up the SLS's power and warning residents about the noise and vibration on test day, but they are a fraction of the Saturn V first stage that used to be tested. My parents didn't even hear the test Saturday and wondered if it got cancelled. When I was younger the shuttle engine test would sometimes rattle the windows.


Neighbor worked at the Cape during Apollo. Said that a Saturn launch sounded, and felt, like the finger of God reaching out to touch the sky.

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 Post subject: Re: SLS Test Firing Today; 8 Min Run Planned
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Neighbor worked at the Cape during Apollo. Said that a Saturn launch sounded, and felt, like the finger of God reaching out to touch the sky.

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At the Stennis Test Center, there is a huge megaphone on a tower. I was always told that back in the day before testing the Saturn V engines, they would use that to test the atmospheric conditions to ensure the sound would not exceed certain thresholds to do damage to surrounding communities.

For those that don't know, the Stennis Space Center is located in southern Mississippi, and is surrounded by several miles of unoccupied forest as a Buffer Zone. There used to be several communities in the area that were bought out and no longer exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stennis_Space_Center
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Now saying it was conservative software parameters:

https://www.space.com/nasa-sls-megarock ... down-cause


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The engine bells on these engines thrash around during startup. On the space shuttle, you might recall that before startup, the engines were gimbled out to the side somewhat to the engine bells didn't slam against either other. In a few seconds, when everything stabilized, the engines were gimbled back to their flight orientation.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/CdHcj_kp1UQ[/youtube]


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Minor issue. I have no idea why it will take almost a month to re-test.

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Minor issue. I have no idea why it will take almost a month to re-test.

NASA has a software tweak. It will take 4 weeks to test again.

SpaceX explodes SN8 on the landing pad. 6 weeks later, SN9 is ready to go and SN10 is already built.

Very different philosophies.

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Minor issue. I have no idea why it will take almost a month to re-test.

NASA has a software tweak. It will take 4 weeks to test again.

SpaceX explodes SN8 on the landing pad. 6 weeks later, SN9 is ready to go and SN10 is already built.

Very different philosophies.

Most definitely.

I can write a couple of lines of code in a few minutes. This is the geologic time scale on which 20th century space flight was measured, they’ve never evolved because they’re old contractors hooked to the bottle of congressional financing.
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I have no idea why it will take almost a month to re-test.
After the Shuttle engines were fired, they had to be dried out by purging with heated nitrogen for a couple days. The hydrogen and oxygen fuel turns into...you guessed it...water. You really don't want water in the turbopump bearings. Rather than inspect the engines in place for return to flight, they just swapped out the entire engines and performed the inspections in the SSME facility. So I'm guessing that the delay will be caused by having to change out the SLS engines. That would require setting up some platforms and removing the heat shields, demating the electrical connectors, etc.


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Neighbor worked at the Cape during Apollo. Said that a Saturn launch sounded, and felt, like the finger of God reaching out to touch the sky.

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I've read that at launch with all five F-1 engines at full thrust the Saturn V created a man-made earthquake that could be measured by seismographs as far away as New York City.

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I have no idea why it will take almost a month to re-test.
After the Shuttle engines were fired, they had to be dried out by purging with heated nitrogen for a couple days. The hydrogen and oxygen fuel turns into...you guessed it...water. You really don't want water in the turbopump bearings. Rather than inspect the engines in place for return to flight, they just swapped out the entire engines and performed the inspections in the SSME facility. So I'm guessing that the delay will be caused by having to change out the SLS engines. That would require setting up some platforms and removing the heat shields, demating the electrical connectors, etc.

OK, that makes sense. So...

Change a hydraulic pressure fault limit table in the computer: 10 minutes
Ship 4 replacement motors to the test site because you didn't plan for a failure: 2 days
Install the replacement engines (you removed the existing ones while waiting for the replacements, right?): At worst, one day per engine.
Refuel: 1 day.

By my count that's one week and ten minutes. Double it just to be fair and you're still a long way from a month.
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Thread jacking .... just watched the Challenger mini-series on Netflix. Pretty good; brought back lots of memories.


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$18.6B in development so far, will cost more than $2B per launch, entirely disposable. It has been in development 10 years so far.

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Space X reminds me of that old saw: we didn’t have money, so we had to think.

Or more rightly put: we weren’t Boeing or NASA, so we had to think.

The optics will look awful when they launch the rocket and people tune in and say, when is it going to come back to land, that’s my favorite part... what do you mean they throw that all away?

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