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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 10:03 |
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Joined: 02/27/19 Posts: 580 Post Likes: +306 Company: OwnShip Technology AG Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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Username Protected wrote: What’s the skinny on this particular model o’ Mooney? Inquiring minds want to know. There's some info about the engine on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_PFM_3200There are quite a few that "escaped", there's a little followership at the airfield of Heubach near Stuttgart where Porsche is located: https://www.porscheaviation.com/Flying magazine even did a piece about racing a Porsche Mooney and a 911 from Reno to San Francisco when it came out. It can be read on Google Books..
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 10:21 |
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Joined: 11/20/14 Posts: 6842 Post Likes: +5039
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For the $140k asking price you could get a very, very nice V-tail which in my biased opinion is a better and more maintainable airplane.
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 10:43 |
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Joined: 05/03/12 Posts: 2306 Post Likes: +720 Location: Wichita, KS
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Username Protected wrote: What’s the skinny on this particular model o’ Mooney? Inquiring minds want to know. Heavier, slower and more expensive than the J model/201 that they hoped to replace. The only good thing that came from it was the second stretch of the M20 fuselage that was used by the later "long body" Mooneys... The Bravo, Ovation, Eagle, Acclaim.
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 10:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Flying magazine even did a piece about racing a Porsche Mooney and a 911 from Reno to San Francisco when it came out. It can be read on Google Books..Enjoyable article and it's good information that I can get my IFR refresher tapes in either VHS or Beta format. Perhaps they'll cover the new Apollo 618 "super bandit" LORAN I see advertised?  Always fun looking back at what was amazing stuff. 
_________________ “A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user.” Theodore Roosevelt
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 10:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: What’s the skinny on this particular model o’ Mooney? Inquiring minds want to know. Heavier, slower and more expensive than the J model/201 that they hoped to replace. The only good thing that came from it was the second stretch of the M20 fuselage that was used by the later "long body" Mooneys... The Bravo, Ovation, Eagle, Acclaim.
For some reason it looks shorter than a long body, or perhaps it is just shorter rear windows
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 14:12 |
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Joined: 11/15/17 Posts: 1178 Post Likes: +609 Company: Cessna (retired)
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Back in that timeframe, I was talking to a senior guy from Lyvoming or Continental (I forget which) at a SAE conference, and he said that he would be embarassed tp propose that engine to a customer.
Just goes to show that replacing the current ancient technology might not be as easy as it sounds.
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 14:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Back in that timeframe, I was talking to a senior guy from Lyvoming or Continental (I forget which) at a SAE conference, and he said that he would be embarassed tp propose that engine to a customer.
Just goes to show that replacing the current ancient technology might not be as easy as it sounds. Manufacturer support aside, what was wrong with the engine design that would prompt such a comment?
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 15:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: Back in that timeframe, I was talking to a senior guy from Lyvoming or Continental (I forget which) at a SAE conference, and he said that he would be embarassed tp propose that engine to a customer.
Just goes to show that replacing the current ancient technology might not be as easy as it sounds. Manufacturer support aside, what was wrong with the engine design that would prompt such a comment?
Cost Weight Performance (as installed in airplane) Unknowns (such as cost of maintenace, overhauls, etc)
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 23:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: For the $140k asking price you could get a very, very nice V-tail which in my biased opinion is a better and more maintainable airplane. $140K Canadian is only $105K US dollars. Even if the engine came apart and you had to replace it later, it’s a pretty cool airplane. I thought that engine was working pretty well, just that Porsche reconsidered the liability and bailed.
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 01 Oct 2020, 09:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: For the $140k asking price you could get a very, very nice V-tail which in my biased opinion is a better and more maintainable airplane. $140K Canadian is only $105K US dollars. Even if the engine came apart and you had to replace it later, it’s a pretty cool airplane. I thought that engine was working pretty well, just that Porsche reconsidered the liability and bailed.
Did you see something in there that indicates anything about the airframe or avionics? I didn't. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. I'm thinking it's worth around 40k.
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Post subject: Re: Unicorn: Porsche Mooney Posted: 01 Oct 2020, 11:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: There was an STC to replace the PFM engine with an IO-550, but it is no longer available. That really reduces the value of this plane to salvage unless a museum wants it. Or perhaps some upcoming engine STC company that might want a test airframe. Those converted PFMs really took a hit on useful loads, too. They added the 550, but retained the 2900lbs gross weight. The TLS and Ovation gross weights went up to 3368.
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