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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 03 Nov 2019, 16:44 |
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Joined: 06/09/09 Posts: 4438 Post Likes: +3306
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No multi, no turbine and no FL experience are all small hurdles. The one that is of serious concern IMO is no IFR (IMC).
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 03 Nov 2019, 18:50 |
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Joined: 01/06/11 Posts: 157 Post Likes: +85 Company: Sedan Floral, Inc. Location: Sedan, KS
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Quote: I can’t add anything to the discussion except if you find yourself in Aiken at Air1st you are welcome to stay with us ~ I even have a spare vehicle if the airport crew car isn’t available. Congratulations on leading a family business!
Peace, Don Don, Thank you for the generous offer and the kind words. I'll reach out if I make it that way. Thanks!
_________________ Jonathan Cude 58P (TJ224), SR22, RV-7A, Protech PT-2A SedanFloral.com
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 03 Nov 2019, 19:19 |
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Joined: 04/09/16 Posts: 566 Post Likes: +169 Location: USA
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Username Protected wrote: You might also consider joining the MU-2 mailing list/forum at http://www.mu-2aopa.com (note, I am the forum admin). Lots of great info on their including some owners who are offering "off market" airplanes. The forum/list does welcome prospective buyers. Thanks for adding me as well!
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 03 Nov 2019, 19:26 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 5325 Post Likes: +5365
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I own a -1 MU-2 and love it. It's my "Cirrus" for the mostly local flying I do and 400 mile trips I often make. I make probably 8 cross country trips (1,500nm) a year and it's perfect for that too. Extremely reliable and fast enough. It's efficient enough for flying 30 minute trips down low. It's not hard to fly but it's the only plane I've flown (other than the lancair) that I am never relaxed on take off and landing. It's a man's airplane and needs a pilot. It's not hard to fly but when the power comes off those giant props, there's a lot of drag. It needs to get on step after take off before it starts climbing well too. You need to fly it every week to stay current.
The Citation is so easy to fly and forgiving I think someone could get their private pilots license in it. I could go ten years without flying and hop in one and feel comfortable quickly. The range is not as good as the Mitsubishi. It burns a ton of fuel that it's decadent to fly it solo or on short flights if you have any care about money and we all do.
Neither airplane breaks very often. The maintenance is cheap for both. The insurance is more expensive on the Mitsubishi. The training costs are about the same for both.
With all this said, don't skip steps. Get a Baron or Meridian and then work your way into one of these machines after getting your instrument rating and flying your Cirrus a few 100 more hours. If you're going to ignore this step then the Citation has a higher likelihood of success and much lower chance of death than an MU-2. You really need a few hundred hours in the instrument system before flying either airplane though. When you fly a turbine, you are expected to fly professionally. This is almost impossible to do without some experience flying a 172 on instruments for a while. On the flip side, you could fly an MU-2 VFR at 17,500 with no instrument rating but I think this would eventually result in a very bad day.
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 03 Nov 2019, 20:04 |
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Joined: 12/30/15 Posts: 1826 Post Likes: +1915 Location: Charlotte
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Username Protected wrote: No multi, no turbine and no FL experience are all small hurdles. The one that is of serious concern IMO is no IFR (IMC). No multi, no turbine (I wouldn’t know...yet) and no FL experience are rather large hurdles. To me NO IFR after 500hrs and 3 years is the ELEPHANT this thread. 1/2 way done...you should have been done with IFR within first year of Cirrus. I went to Aerostar after 11 years and 1500 hours in Columbia WITH IFR and Flying often in mid teens. Fairly large step to me although a good bit of transition challenge for me was glass on Colimbia back to steam on Aerostar. I currently also have a Cirrus which requires MUCH LESS mental bandwidth than Aerostar. MUCH LESS Get your IFR ASAP, Fly another year and also up high on O2 while dreaming and looking for your next bird. Jonathan, I don’t mean to be harsh, I would rather risk sounding a bit harsh and hopefully giving you a bit of pause vs reading About you in a future crash talk.
_________________ I wanna go phastR.....and slowR
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 03 Nov 2019, 20:46 |
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Joined: 05/31/13 Posts: 1367 Post Likes: +725 Company: Docking Drawer Location: KCCR
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My good friend is an ATP, MEII, CAP pilot, and has owned his 182 for 4 years. His insurance dropped his limit from 2MM smooth to 1/100,000. If underwriters are doing that to experienced pilots flying easy, garden variety singles there’s just no way they are going to underwrite someone in a MU2 with no IFR, no ME, and no turbine.
_________________ ATP, CFI-I, MEI http://www.dockingdrawer.com
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 03 Nov 2019, 20:57 |
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Joined: 08/24/13 Posts: 10367 Post Likes: +4971 Company: Aviation Tools / CCX Location: KSMQ New Jersey
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Username Protected wrote: No multi, no turbine and no FL experience are all small hurdles. The one that is of serious concern IMO is no IFR (IMC). Agreed. When I got my IFR no way was I ready to fly anything more demanding than a piston single. You really need the IFR skills that comes from flying in the system for a few hundred hours before stepping in to something higher performance. Just my opinion.
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 00:36 |
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Joined: 02/21/14 Posts: 91 Post Likes: +96 Location: KSQL
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Think you need 100 hours of multi.
From the MU2 SFAR:
4. Aeronautical Experience. No person may act as pilot-in-command of a Mitsubishi MU– 2B series airplane for the purpose of flight unless that person holds an airplane category and multi-engine land class rating, and has logged a minimum of 100 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in multi-engine airplanes.
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 01:45 |
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Joined: 07/24/14 Posts: 1992 Post Likes: +2777
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Username Protected wrote: Think you need 100 hours of multi.
From the MU2 SFAR:
4. Aeronautical Experience. No person may act as pilot-in-command of a Mitsubishi MU– 2B series airplane for the purpose of flight unless that person holds an airplane category and multi-engine land class rating, and has logged a minimum of 100 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in multi-engine airplanes. Very good point. In order to fly single pilot PIC, you'll need a minimum of 100 hours of ME time. But you can include all ME time that you accumulate, such as the time you'll log getting your ME rating, and you don't have to wait to get to 100 hours to begin SFAR training.
_________________ Jay
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 11:33 |
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My brother-in-law got his IFR rating in a T-38 with a single VOR/ILS radio. He said it was the hardest thing he ever did in aviation.
Vince
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 12:27 |
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As someone who is actively shopping for a twin turbine (MU2 in the running), I will echo the sentiments expressed above. From my vantage point zero multi time is not an issue (you'll need that many hours to satisfy the Subpart N requirement for MU2 anyway) but solid instrument skills need to be second nature. And while training and practice is important to keep instrument skills sharp, IMO there is no substitute for real actual IMC experience. So my advice would be to get that instrument ticket ASAP and spend some time getting those instrument skills down. And enjoy the ride- my instrument rating was the most fun to acquire and the most fun to utilize.
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Post subject: Re: WTB: MU2 Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 14:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: My brother-in-law got his IFR rating in a T-38 with a single VOR/ILS radio. He said it was the hardest thing he ever did in aviation.
Vince The aviators that get their Instrument ratings in T-38's are generally are generally people who have been handpicked from the small results of a very strict weeding-out process and then make it through a very difficult program that has a very high washout rate (after being given a zillion dollars worth of training). I suspect even above-average aviators would have a challenge meeting that bar. $.02
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