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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200  Posted: 27 Aug 2019, 11:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: The GU airfoil issue is very real. Get into rain and you are going down. No way I would own one with a GU airfoil.
Local fellow has had one for years. I've noticed he uses a fair bit of runway both taking off and landing. They are small and light, so with those dimensions come other challenges of being bounced around a fair bit.
Their crashworthiness is nearly nil - if the engine snuffs you are very likely going to get hurt in an off-field landing, or at least that's what I've seen.
A better deal would be a Long-EZ or Vari-EZ. They, too, have their challenges but at least seem to have slightly better crashworthiness and fewer issues with basic aerodynamics in the presence of contamination.
The other one to look at would be the Cozy MK III - they seem to have lost market value with the advent of the MK IV thus are often available at a price point which gives a lot of bang for the buck.
If you really want a simple, inexpensive flying machine, come look at my Davis DA2A. Stone simple, rugged and a ton of fun to fly on about $35/hour. In my conversation with owners, I brought up your same thoughts. Well it turns out that the GU airfoil on the Q200 is the same airfoil on the Cozy so they are not any better in the rain or bug environment. The Q200 however could have come with a LS1 wing as well and would not need the VG's. Your little plane is cute but I can drive the distance nearly as fast as I could fly it in your plane. I5 and 90 mph is the cruise between SFO and LA in a car.
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 29 Aug 2019, 10:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: Your little plane is cute but I can drive the distance nearly as fast as I could fly it in your plane. I5 and 90 mph is the cruise between SFO and LA in a car. Yeah, but the Davis has a V tail.
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 29 Aug 2019, 10:13 |
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Cute too!
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 29 Aug 2019, 10:37 |
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"Cute too!" Yeah, especially when flying inverted!  The nice thing with the Davis is that it has never had the infamous "Wichita Wobble" for which the Bonanza design became known. When flying the Davis there is nothing to tell the pilot they're not flying a traditional cruciform tail. Kinda cool. "Ground handles like a go-kart, flies like a dream, looks like a Stealth Fighter." That's my motto!  As for the GU airfoil, not every builder of the Quickie or the Cozy stuck with that airfoil, so as has quite rightly been pointed out, having a good close look at the airfoil type is critical to assessing the mission capability of the aircraft.
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 30 Aug 2019, 20:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: A person in our SARL group has a Quickie with an O-235. Typically averages right around 200 mph around the course (call it 170 knots) running 1500 - 3000 AGL. Usually neck and neck with my buddies Long EZ with the same engine. That's fast.. Never heard of anyone using anything other than the IO-200 for the weight.. Long EZ is good but I can't see my wife staring at the back of my head..
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 30 Aug 2019, 20:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: A person in our SARL group has a Quickie with an O-235. Typically averages right around 200 mph around the course (call it 170 knots) running 1500 - 3000 AGL. Usually neck and neck with my buddies Long EZ with the same engine. That's fast.. Never heard of anyone using anything other than the IO-200 for the weight.. Long EZ is good but I can't see my wife staring at the back of my head..
A friend of mine has a Long-EZ with an O-320. He explained that it is a big engine for that airplane, that the ones with that engine do indeed perform quite a bit better than the standard airplane (O-235 powered), that crashworthiness and energy with the heavier engine is an issue that you have to take into account, and that all of this is well known and discussed among Long-EZ owners.
That last part is the most important. Every type of airplane has a group, somewhere, of the right, knowledgable people.
(He's also talked about the rain and the two different airfoils for the canard too- that's another issue that's well known and has been addressed on those.)
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 30 Aug 2019, 21:33 |
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I wonder how that 320 affected the CG in that plane. I mean they have to have a body in the front seat just to stay level.
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 30 Aug 2019, 22:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wonder how that 320 affected the CG in that plane. I mean they have to have a body in the front seat just to stay level. I don't know- there is probably a minimum pilot weight limitation, maybe ballast in the nose, maybe not. There are other 320 Long-EZs around, his isn't the only one. The airplane could "kneel" normally like all the others. All the Rutan homebuilts are really neat, one way or the other. The homebuilt world is really great these days with so many great choices and support, but it doesn't have that kind of radical innovation anymore.
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Post subject: Re: So talk me into/out of a Quickie Q200 Posted: 31 Aug 2019, 14:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wonder how that 320 affected the CG in that plane. I mean they have to have a body in the front seat just to stay level. It’s been a while since I’ve looked into Long-EZ’s, but I believe builders did different things. Lengthening the nose was a common one. I believe making the nose gear electric helped too.
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