BeechTalk - BT - Cirrus Jet

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 May 2019, 20:59

Username Protected wrote:

Cirrus has demonized getting an ME rating as some sort of barrier. That's BS.

Mike C.

Demonized? How so?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 May 2019, 21:28

Username Protected wrote:

I can't find anything an SF-50 does better than a TBM. The TBM is faster, longer range, uses shorter runways, burns less fuel, and requires less training.

I’ve got something it does better, PRICE. That’s kind of a big one. Yes, the TBM does everything else better, but it also costs nearly twice as much (about 40%). The M600 is a better comparison. The M600 does everything better except speed and price, but at a smaller price margin (about 15%) than the TBM. I love SETP’s, but am glad the SF-50 is an option.

I got to get a close up look at the cabin (from the outside) of one today at KSDL. First time I’ve been closer than 50 yards from one. It struck me as very bulbous, wide and short. Different, but I think the club seating is better for families.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 May 2019, 21:58

Looks good from this angle...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 May 2019, 22:05

Username Protected wrote:

For the Eclipse you had to get a multi rating. Not a direct path.

Was part of the training program if you didn't have it, trivial to get.

Cirrus has demonized getting an ME rating as some sort of barrier. That's BS. If a pilot can't get an ME rating, then they sure as heck can't get a type rating for an SF-50 (which, BTW, takes way longer to get than for twin jets from reports).

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 May 2019, 22:22

I would choose it over TBM in a heartbeat. It would make my family so much more happy and comfortable and we would get to keep a couple mill. Plus I’m 6’5”. Plus it seems more fun and cool.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 May 2019, 23:16

Username Protected wrote:

I didn’t find the ME rating trivial. Cost me several thousand dollars in training, several days away from work/family in a cheap hotel and a FAA check ride.

It’s not that people can’t accomplish a ME rating, it’s that for the first time ever in a business Jet, they don’t have to.

The jet requires a type rating and an annual ATP level proficiency check, neither of which is trivial or cheap. So the trade-off for not having to get a MEL rating is not a positive one.

George

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 May 2019, 23:39

Username Protected wrote:

I didn’t find the ME rating trivial. Cost me several thousand dollars in training, several days away from work/family in a cheap hotel and a FAA check ride.

It’s not that people can’t accomplish a ME rating, it’s that for the first time ever in a business Jet, they don’t have to.

The jet requires a type rating and an annual ATP level proficiency check, neither of which is trivial or cheap. So the trade-off for not having to get a MEL rating is not a positive one.

George

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2019, 00:01

I focused on the costs of the getting an MEL rating, completely ignoring the reference to the Eclipse. My bad.

George

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2019, 00:09

Username Protected wrote:

I didn’t find the ME rating trivial. Cost me several thousand dollars in training, several days away from work/family in a cheap hotel and a FAA check ride.

Based on the above, you are not a candidate for a jet type rating, or the required annual training it requires.

I got my ME rating in two days. When I get a jet, my yearly recurrent will cost more and take more time than that, and so it will be for the SF-50 as well.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2019, 00:17

Username Protected wrote:

Demonized? How so?

Presenting it as a barrier when the type rating is far, far more of an issue and they hardly discuss that.

I suspect the average SR pilot is taking 3-4 weeks to get the type rating, as indicated by the Jay Jolley Q&A video.

The best feature of a jet is that when an engine fails, you do nothing and keep flying. Cirrus, in their piston think bubble, decided to take that away.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2019, 00:19

Username Protected wrote:

Looks good from this angle...

You are right, looking up it arse does improve the view. You can't see the frumpy cabin from there.

Dr Suess must have been on the design team.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2019, 02:17

It really isn't hard to get a multi-engine rating. If you're proficient on instruments and halfway-decent stick skills, it can be done in 10 hours or so. Took me about 15, because I'd gotten out of instrument proficiency. There's no written test and no required hours. As soon as you can pass the oral and checkride, you can test.

I don't see getting MEL as a barrier. The type rating, though honestly, will be a lot more work for any jet. I'd suspect that the Vision Jet, isn't the hardest type rating to get.

Feeding a pair of turbines - that's a different story. I think the

But - this thing fits a niche. I've flown it, it's nice. Besides the BRS parachute is a big WAF (wife approval factor). I think they have a 3-year order back log. So, I guess they're not screwing it all up.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 May 2019, 05:59

Username Protected wrote:

I didn’t find the ME rating trivial. Cost me several thousand dollars in training, several days away from work/family in a cheap hotel and a FAA check ride.

Based on the above, you are not a candidate for a jet type rating, or the required annual training it requires.

I got my ME rating in two days. When I get a jet, my yearly recurrent will cost more and take more time than that, and so it will be for the SF-50 as well.

Mike C.