BeechTalk - BT - Travel Air—>Baron—>MU2—>Citation

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 20:44

Username Protected wrote:

I feel like I'm in a time warp between James and Michael. So very similar to each. I had a Mu2
for 15 years, transitioned to the Citation for 500 hrs and then a Falcon 10. Now I'm back to
to the Lancair 4p. Both planes are good for the mission and the $$$.Michael,as you know, nothing is cheaper than the 4p.Have fun and enjoy.

I assume you where two crew on the 10 while the others where SP? How did the second pilot logistics play out while you enjoyed the benifits of the faster airframe?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 20:47

Weldon - what were your thoughts between citation and mu2?

James - congrats. 501s are sweet.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 21:04

Username Protected wrote:

MU-2 is 260kts at 55gph, 501sp is 345kts at 115gph.

Small note to above: that's a non -10 engine. -10 short body MU-2's are 300kts on 70GPH.

Can't wait to hear about Citation Type Rating vs. MU-2 training from both of you. I found MU-2 training challenging and rewarding. For some reason a type rating scares me. Please share as you proceed. Have a blast, both of you.

MT, is your stated destination Mountain Air? Post some video's of those landings & take-offs!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 21:10

Username Protected wrote:

I feel like I'm in a time warp between James and Michael. So very similar to each. I had a Mu2
for 15 years, transitioned to the Citation for 500 hrs and then a Falcon 10. Now I'm back to
to the Lancair 4p. Both planes are good for the mission and the $$$.Michael,as you know, nothing is cheaper than the 4p.Have fun and enjoy.

James got to ride in the IV-P also. Not scary? It is my runabout and I love it!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 21:13

Username Protected wrote:

MU-2 is 260kts at 55gph, 501sp is 345kts at 115gph.

Small note to above: that's a non -10 engine. -10 short body MU-2's are 300kts on 70GPH.

Can't wait to hear about Citation Type Rating vs. MU-2 training from both of you. I found MU-2 training challenging and rewarding. For some reason a type rating scares me. Please share as you proceed. Have a blast, both of you.

MT, is your stated destination Mountain Air? Post some video's of those landings & take-offs!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 21:43

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Even though I a m a retired Cessna Engineer, I can't resist saying it:

If you wanted to be a jet pilot, why didn't you buy a real jet?

Always love comments like these - Bill please tell us about all the jets you’ve personally owned...I’d imagine it’s a long list given your response.

Congrats James - Can’t wait to hear more.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 22:46

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I really like the old airline style avionics, sperry AP and flight director.

+1 on the attitude indicator. It may not be a synthetic vision, but it is big , round , and easy to read. I like it!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 May 2019, 22:52

Be funny if you end up happily back in the Travelair some day. Congrats on the jet! :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 May 2019, 08:48

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Be funny if you end up happily back in the Travelair some day. Congrats on the jet! :thumbup:

Thanks Adam!
I read this recently and your comment reminded me of it as many things in life seem to be cyclical.

Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

I too have thought about the route back down the mountain and what that would like. Travel airs are amazingly fun to fly. My dad at 80 just sold his and hung up his wings.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 May 2019, 09:51

Congrats James......you are going to enjoy the C501SP.....and by the way these old legacy Cessna's are :box:

"real" jets :box:

!!!

Mine currently in the shop for upgrade....

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 May 2019, 10:33

Real jet? If it doesn’t have propellers and goes to 40k, it’s a real jet.

I have been running different single pilot jets on ForeFlight recently and the time difference between the ‘slowtations’ And the cj’s is a lot less than I thought it would be.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 May 2019, 11:37

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Weldon - what were your thoughts between citation and mu2?

James - congrats. 501s are sweet.

I probably prefer the Mu2 over the Citation. Slightly different mission for each. The Jet in my opinion is much safer in the mountains, ie, Aspen,Vail,Teluride. The Mu2 on the other hand is,
if you can get it in the door, the Mits will lift it. Mu2 is built like a tank, but, the NTS needs to be working. Also, no hanging on the spoilers (yoke), trim to fly, ball in the middle. Speed is life. BTW the Falcon 10 will do .87 mach at 28k if you are running late