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Post subject: Re: 421C Aux Pumps Posted: 19 Sep 2018, 15:49 |
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Joined: 04/16/08 Posts: 743 Post Likes: +633 Location: Nevada City, CA
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Is a 421B different than a 412C regarding fuel icing and pumps? I never had any issue with either with my B.
This was not an issue during Flight Safety initial training, either.
Just lucky?
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Post subject: Re: 421C Aux Pumps Posted: 20 Sep 2018, 12:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is a 421B different than a 412C regarding fuel icing and pumps? I never had any issue with either with my B.
This was not an issue during Flight Safety initial training, either.
Just lucky? Off topic... are you the Curt Brown that raced a few years at Reno? Tj
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Post subject: Re: 421C Aux Pumps Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 03:39 |
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Joined: 03/06/13 Posts: 158 Post Likes: +63 Location: UK
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Username Protected wrote: For whatever it's worth...
I flip the boost pumps on when I enter the runway, and off when I exit. I run them all the time in 'low' mode. Why? I honestly don't know - I was trained that way and it seems to work, so I haven't messed with it in +1,000hrs of 421 time!
I've also never added IPA/prist and have never had an icing issue.
As always, YMMV. Just one guy's experience.
Robert My experience in 1000hrs on the 421C was identical to yours. With the heated fuel spiders, I only ever once noticed a slight fuel flow reduction due icing (flying in Europe), easily solved by enriching. It needs a combination of hot high humidity weather at the point of fuelling, and a climb into very cold dry air in the FLs, say from ISA+20 to ISA-10 (I am guessing). I could tell something was odd because I got a lot of frost very quickly on the cabin side windows, which normally doesn't happen, but correlates with what I described. It all normalised after 10-20mins. You don't get fuel icing just because it's very cold in the 421C, it needs an unusually high amount of water dissolved in the fuel (from the hot humid refuel on the ground) and very cold ambient in cruise. In the US, I've heard a comparable issue for someone departing a hot Florida day northbound and entering a a different cold airmass quite quickly enroute. The 421Cs engines will be starved of fuel with only the Aux LOW pumps if an Engine driven pump fails, the LOWs are there for vapor suppression. In cruise, if your engines run fine without them, I guess it's OK (more importantly, permitted by the POH) to switch them off, but I always ran with them on, and never had a problem.
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