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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 18 Aug 2017, 23:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: There is no real difference in OpX for the 3 airframes. I think what outweighs the op-expense in these planes is the wide variation in same-model AFs. You could get a 340 that you spend 200k to bring it up to spec, essentially doubling your cost.
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 00:05 |
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Joined: 04/08/12 Posts: 211 Post Likes: +103 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Thatcher, I've run three 340s, a 414 and two 421s. Echoing and expanding on a few comments above:
- Systems are quite similar across all three types.
- Pressurization is essentially free, with no maintenance burden.
- Baggage space is a strong point on all three, with nose and wing lockers. Nose lockers are longer on the 414A/421C than on the straight 414/421B...and quite a bit larger than the 340's nose.
- The 340's electro-mechanical gear requires more care and repetitive maintenance than the hydraulic gear on the 414A/421C.
- Geared 421 engines require more TLC and maintenance than direct-drive engines on the 340 and 414, and are less tolerant of pilot inattention.
- A 340 will be a bit faster than a 414. A 421 will be faster yet, but the speed difference across all three is small.
- Insurance is a bit lower on the 340.
- My most expensive annual so far was $12k.
Happy to answer any specific questions you might have, or help in any way. Good luck.
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 09:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Point of information: there is no spar AD on the 340, 414 or 421 2005-12-13 applies to the 414A does it not?
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 10:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Point of information: there is no spar AD on the 340, 414 or 421 2005-12-13 applies to the 414A does it not?
I stand corrected. Quick review shows no affect below 8500 tt I think
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 12:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Point of information: there is no spar AD on the 340, 414 or 421 2005-12-13 applies to the 414A does it not?
The AD does not apply to any tip tanked model.
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 12:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Our typical mission is flights to and from Fayetteville, AR picking up college students and going to games. We usually have 2-4 people aboard but sometimes we do squeeze all 6 of us on. It's a 230 nm flight but it would be nice to have pressurization and the ability to get above some of the weather into smoother air. .. 1) speed is of little consequence 2) comfort/ease of loading is key Considered a twin bo? Would your father consider a partnership? Shouldn't be hard at spirit Considered a Navajo? But yeah 421 (b or c) would be an exceptional tool for that mission
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 12:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Our typical mission is flights to and from Fayetteville, AR picking up college students and going to games. We usually have 2-4 people aboard but sometimes we do squeeze all 6 of us on. It's a 230 nm flight but it would be nice to have pressurization and the ability to get above some of the weather into smoother air. .. 1) speed is of little consequence 2) comfort/ease of loading is key Considered a twin bo? Would your father consider a partnership? Shouldn't be hard at spirit Considered a Navajo? But yeah 421 (b or c) would be an exceptional tool for that mission
Or a Beech 18. I'm always looking for somebody else's mission, to convince them to buy one. So I can live vicariously through them.
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 13:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Our typical mission is flights to and from Fayetteville, AR picking up college students and going to games. We usually have 2-4 people aboard but sometimes we do squeeze all 6 of us on. It's a 230 nm flight but it would be nice to have pressurization and the ability to get above some of the weather into smoother air. .. 1) speed is of little consequence 2) comfort/ease of loading is key
totally agree. once at altitude, it's unbelievably comfortable.
things I would never give up in our twin: 1) the huge nose storage (I know it's only a 340, but I can get 4 roller bags, plus a large "beach bag" in the nose. plus the set of tools and spares I carry. the only thing we bring in the cabin is food and games/ipads.
2) the airstair door- awesome ramp presence. these are much bigger planes than the A36.
3) pressurization. even if I was only doing 177 ground (yesterdays average at 31 gph; I was intentionally flying slow to save gas since we went MTH-PGV nonstop), we were at 21,000 where it was -8C, smooth as silk, and I was over 99% of the weather. in a B58 I would have been in the bumps for most of the trip, or the whole family would have been on O2.
4) my 340 has a portable toilet for the girls. it's not glamorous, but it'll do for a family.
I would have bought a KA90 rather than a 421. I think the op-ex is the same , but there are more choices in KA90s for sale. 340 is at about 550/hr all-in at 150 hours per year. this year will be more since I bought an engine, and the plane was down 14 weeks (engine, turbo, and prop OH). been an unlucky year.
for now it's good. in 4 years I'm buying a turbine.
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 13:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would have bought a KA90 rather than a 421. I think the op-ex is the same , but there are more choices in KA90s for sale. Not sure how to figure that with same speed @ twice the fuel burn and all the calendar items. (Not to mention ramp fees)
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Post subject: Re: Operating Costs of C340 vs 414/421? Posted: 19 Aug 2017, 13:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would have bought a KA90 rather than a 421. I think the op-ex is the same , but there are more choices in KA90s for sale. Not sure how to figure that with same speed @ twice the fuel burn and all the calendar items. (Not to mention ramp fees)
Agreed. A GOOD 421C has a negligible OpX difference over a 340.
Regarding the geared engines. My 421C had every set go to TBO without issue (except for a casting issue on one cylinder before I owned it). They are easy to operate, run VERY cool (read as less maintenance), have the the best cowlings of all pistons, and always have big power to spare. The C model (Citation) wing gives the best ride. A C90 is a downgrade for stability. It is very smooth and stable.
To the OP:
When you are getting advice, make sure to ask the person how many hours they owned their plane for. Some guys are willing to share their opinions based on very little experience. This is especially true for piston twins. Lots of OWTs based on nothing.
Best,
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