BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Sep 2016, 13:31

Username Protected wrote:

They're upping the price of their pistons to push people into the SF50.

Exactly - this type of price increase makes no sense at all. In 2012 I attended a fly-in at West Houston and the Texas Cirrus dealer was trying to get my brother interested on a similar deal for a fully loaded, all options, low time (75 hr) demo plane. The price was 672K.

With an annual inflation rate of 1%, how does 672K in 2012 become 950K in 2016 for an aircraft with 100 hrs more on the clock????

:crazy:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2016, 02:27

Price increases only come from inflation? Maybe Cirrus just decided to start charging more?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2016, 09:53

Username Protected wrote:

Price increases only come from inflation? Maybe Cirrus just decided to start charging more?

Yep. Supply and demand. They sold every one of the 2015 units by the Nov 1 last year. Those people that committed to purchase in Nov and Dec of 2015 were sold a 2016 model for the 2015 price.

In the mid 2000's they really ramped up production and cranked out a huge number of aircraft. This decimated the used market. They were left sitting on a huge number of traded in planes that continued to depreciate. They lost more money on traded in planes than they made on the increased production.

Rather than increasing revenue by cranking out more production, they have simply decided to increase the price by 38K every year until they cannot sell all their aircraft at that price point.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2016, 09:58

What would the price of a brand new G36 be with TN and FIKI TKS and tip tanks? Close to 900K?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2016, 10:05

Username Protected wrote:

Price increases only come from inflation? Maybe Cirrus just decided to start charging more?

Yep. Supply and demand. They sold every one of the 2015 units by the Nov 1 last year. Those people that committed to purchase in Nov and Dec of 2015 were sold a 2016 model for the 2015 price.

In the mid 2000's they really ramped up production and cranked out a huge number of aircraft. This decimated the used market. They were left sitting on a huge number of traded in planes that continued to depreciate. They lost more money on traded in planes than they made on the increased production.

Rather than increasing revenue by cranking out more production, they have simply decided to increase the price by 38K every year until they cannot sell all their aircraft at that price point.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2016, 10:57

Username Protected wrote:

What would the price of a brand new G36 be with TN and FIKI TKS and tip tanks? Close to 900K?

To add TN and tips would probably add another $75,ooo to the price of a new G36, pushing it past $900K. FIKI TKS? Is that even available for a G36??

And,

Useful load in a new G36 = 1038 pounds
Useful load in a new SR22T = 1248 pounds

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Sep 2016, 11:59

Username Protected wrote:

And that is what any rational business would do. Find out what the market will bear and sell your product for that.

Totally agree - in fact, isn't that what we all do in our own businesses? Hats off to Cirrus - it's still amazing that they can get 950K for a slightly used single engine piston demo. It is a story of American success, ingenuity and fabulous marketing.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Sep 2016, 01:06

Username Protected wrote:

You have a LOT of options for tat kind of money... even a pressurized twin for less that $200.

Yes, higher maintenance - but you have 750,000 left over for maintenance and fuel - much better value

A fleet of dukes would be a reasonable alternative.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Sep 2016, 04:11

Username Protected wrote:

You have a LOT of options for tat kind of money... even a pressurized twin for less that $200.

Yes, higher maintenance - but you have 750,000 left over for maintenance and fuel - much better value

Can't compare new to used.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Sep 2016, 07:57

Username Protected wrote:

Think CIRRUS would ever stretch the air frame to 6 seats ?

Think BEECH would ever add a CAPS system to the G36 ?

It's on the list ... right after they finish ADSB-In :lol:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Sep 2016, 15:04

Username Protected wrote:

What would the price of a brand new G36 be with TN and FIKI TKS and tip tanks? Close to 900K?

FIKI TKS? Is that even available for a G36??

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Sep 2016, 15:16

Username Protected wrote:

Hello Arlen,

Thank you for your question and interest. CAV Ice Protection, the company responsible for design and manufacture of TKS Ice Protection Systems, offers FIKI-certifying TKS for the Beechcraft G36 Bonanza S, TN and R models. The specific system for the G36 is FAA and EASA certified. Check out the Beechcraft G36 FIKI page for more information or to get a quote.

Do you still do D55 Barons? I filled out your form for a quote 3 months ago and never heard back anything.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Sep 2016, 11:11

I will bet there will be a 20 to 30% discount on that when it finally goes out the door.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Sep 2016, 15:21

Username Protected wrote:

Hello Arlen,

Thank you for your question and interest. CAV Ice Protection, the company responsible for design and manufacture of TKS Ice Protection Systems, offers FIKI-certifying TKS for the Beechcraft G36 Bonanza S, TN and R models. The specific system for the G36 is FAA and EASA certified. Check out the Beechcraft G36 FIKI page for more information or to get a quote.

Do you still do D55 Barons? I filled out your form for a quote 3 months ago and never heard back anything.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Sep 2016, 16:30

You could get a used TBM with a PT-6 for that price

Behold, the $950K used Cirrus