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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration  Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 16:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: I love the plane but gray on gray camouflage in the foggy Pacific Northwest what could possibly go wrong? Kenmore probably is the best outfit if you are looking for a nice Beaver… but my first thought, was exactly the same as yours…how in the world would an owner want to camouflage a bird like that….? most of Kenmore's Beavers are bright yellow, for a reason.. that bird may be excellent technically, I have no doubt about it… but the paintscheme is "braindead" from a safety point of view...
They did mention the red tips for that reason.
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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 16:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: They did mention the red tips for that reason. yes, sure, but red tips only go so far….
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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 17:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: I love the plane but gray on gray camouflage in the foggy Pacific Northwest what could possibly go wrong? Kenmore probably is the best outfit if you are looking for a nice Beaver… but my first thought, was exactly the same as yours…how in the world would an owner want to camouflage a bird like that….? most of Kenmore's Beavers are bright yellow, for a reason.. that bird may be excellent technically, I have no doubt about it… but the paintscheme is "braindead" from a safety point of view...
Is your plane bright yellow??
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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 18:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is your plane bright yellow?? admit, no…but she will be once overhauled and restored… I had been frequently flying a "big yeller" owned by friends in the past…and always felt a lot safer in it.. trust me, nothing so unnerving than "meeting" white plastic gliders during springtime in the alps here aloft…with some snow still on the mountains, you just do not see them… and yes, when I was a kid the KA8 gliders I flew in the alps..were painted yellow or orange..felt safe sitting in there…even the eagles knew they had competition up there and stayed away.. especially in some tight places in the alps at that time the Austrian Airforce did have some low level practice runs…felt better to be bright yellow or orange in a glider or a Cub when those folks were zooming by at 350 KTS… I would add, as James has suggested, while that Beaver is an absolute beauty, that paintscheme, which in addition does not have any military historical reference, at least in regards to military Beavers, was not a good idea…on the water on some gray Pacific Northwest fall morning the bird may become invisible…not good...
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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration Posted: 01 Sep 2016, 12:08 |
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Hello Gerhard, I have to say I both agree and disagree with your assessment. Username Protected wrote: Is your plane bright yellow?? trust me, nothing so unnerving than "meeting" white plastic gliders during springtime in the alps here aloft…with some snow still on the mountains, you just do not see them…
Interestingly enough, a white or gray airplane with bluish strips would also be considered a very comouflage paint scheme in those conditions. A paint scheme that about 90% of the current fleet wears today.
I believe that TCAS and a very good lighting system will do far more to help avoid other aircraft than a a change in paint scheme to one that is like 90% of the others out there. Which is to say it will still be hard to pick out against a white/blue/gray sky.
But I have to say you are correct. A bright yellow aircraft is about the most visible against both a sky background, or looking down against an earth background.
I would guess that most would not want a bright yellow aircraft. Although I am currently very fond of a particular yellow aircraft.
As to this Beaver... I think it looks mighty fine indeed.
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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration Posted: 01 Sep 2016, 12:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I believe that TCAS and a very good lighting system will do far more to help avoid other aircraft than a a change in paint scheme to one that is like 90% of the others out there. Which is to say it will still be hard to pick out against a white/blue/gray sky. well, we actually do have some TCAS like systems here in the Alps for gliders and light planes… but, let us not mistake those systems with a good TCAS…it's a half cooked affair… all I'm saying, if you mainly do VFR in VMC out in the boonies, be that mountains, forests or water or any mixture of it..yellow or orange paintschemes help a lot… no clue about that recent midair in Alaska…? but you get my drift… some paintschemes are for display on the ground in a museum…others are for serious bush flying… also helps if you auger in, in between trees, or in the water or some glaciers…the SAR crews will find you a lot sooner if your bird has some "color" on it…..( do not bet on your ELT firing off…half of them fail their periodic checks and inspections…)
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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration Posted: 01 Sep 2016, 13:21 |
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Dear Gerhard,
Do EPIRBs work where you live?
Respectfully,
Ralph
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Post subject: Re: Beaver Restoration Posted: 01 Sep 2016, 13:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dear Gerhard,
Do EPIRBs work where you live?
Respectfully,
Ralph I'd assume PLBs should work..but not sure, but they pretty much should work like 406 ELTs, right? but not sure best Gerd P.S.: I would assume some of that stuff works world-wide… https://www.acrartex.com/productsbut I do not wa t to overdramatize it…I do not think about crashing every day…only RC modellers do…it is getting a bit far OT…just very seldom if ever saw such an "invisible paintscheme" on a floatplane…but then again, have to admit, flew some hours in an amphib Caravan,which was, well painted standard…not very visible either…( Matterhorn White with some light blue cheat lines…)…
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