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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 17:42 |
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Joined: 12/09/07 Posts: 3836 Post Likes: +1908 Location: Camarillo CA
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Username Protected wrote: I *can* tinker, but I prefer flying. You still out fightin' fires? Looks like that is becoming a full-time, year-round job!
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 18:30 |
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Joined: 07/13/09 Posts: 5053 Post Likes: +6637 Location: Nirvana
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Username Protected wrote: I *can* tinker, but I prefer flying. You still out fightin' fires? Looks like that is becoming a full-time, year-round job!
Yes sir.
Left home on June 15....will be done when the fires are done....
It is highly enjoyable. I’m still writing about it on my blog.
stan
(“when will you be back?”
-when fire season ends....
“when will fire season end?”
-sometime between Labor Day and Christmas....)
_________________ "Most of my money I spent on airplanes. The rest I just wasted....." ---the EFI, POF-----
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 18:54 |
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Joined: 01/18/11 Posts: 7664 Post Likes: +3697 Location: Lakeland , Ga
Aircraft: H35, T-41B, Aircoupe
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I had a 185 with STOL package, it nearly the climb angle of an elevator. Downside it was noisy inside and out. The 195 is easier in ground handling just because it is longer. They definitely are a lot more work. I think a lot more fun too.
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 18:58 |
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Joined: 01/28/13 Posts: 6310 Post Likes: +4393 Location: Indiana
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Stan, 195 requires some tinkering. If you buy a rebuilt one and fly it like the Bonanza it will probably not require much more handholding than a Bo. Most people only fly them 30 or less hours a year. Many that say they have rebuilt them are kidding themselves. They perhaps added paint and interior. The one I bought was rebuilt basically from the ground up in 2007 by John Barron in Hannibal MO. There are 3-4 top shops that know the 195. Lot's of great knowledgeable owners like Aubie who will help a newbie find the right plane. I joined the http://www.cessna195.org group. Great info and good way to let owners know you are looking. The one I purchased was not listed. 195 can fly back country grass. Not a short field performer landing. Others with actual experience will tell you min 2000' in most instances. The 195 is cool, round and a tail dragger. What can you say more than that. Oh it sounds really good, no a P51 but what is... 
_________________ Chuck KEVV
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 20:36 |
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Joined: 05/23/08 Posts: 6063 Post Likes: +715 Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
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C185 is what you want. Its fast, light and will carry a good load. I've owned mine for the last 18 years and over 2000 hrs on floats, wheels and skis. It's a workhorse that wont let you down in any conditions.
_________________ Former Baron 58 owner. Pistons engines are for tractors.
Marc Bourdon
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 22:41 |
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Joined: 05/27/16 Posts: 899 Post Likes: +580 Location: KAPA - Denver
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Username Protected wrote: Stan - that 195 that Neal listed prompt any of this?
Man, that is one great looking plane! It is that. I want it the same way I want a '57 Bel Air or a '59 'vette...
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 05 Aug 2016, 22:55 |
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Joined: 11/20/14 Posts: 6846 Post Likes: +5039
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If I were thinking about diminished reaction time / eyesight in later years and an airplane that would let me keep flying longer...that would be a nose wheel airplane that's easy to fly and land. Not a tail wheel. A Bonanza could be an adequate grass field plane, a good cross country plane, and an easy to land hamburger run airplane when your skills start to diminish. But really... You're not that old yet, right 
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 06 Aug 2016, 13:10 |
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Joined: 05/23/08 Posts: 6063 Post Likes: +715 Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
Aircraft: TBM - C185 - T206
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Helio's are slow at 115-120 kts compared to 140-145 kts for the C185. Username Protected wrote: What about a helio courier? Certified but extra cool factor.
_________________ Former Baron 58 owner. Pistons engines are for tractors.
Marc Bourdon
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Post subject: Re: 180/185 vs 195 Posted: 07 Aug 2016, 15:43 |
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Joined: 12/07/12 Posts: 224 Post Likes: +114
Aircraft: Cessna 185
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Stan, the 185 is a good old man's airplane. I'm probably biased since I just celebrated being the caretaker of my 185 for 40 years this past June. I just joined the United Flying Octogenarians this Spring when I turned eighty so that is why I say it's a great old man's airplane.
It's a very good all around aircraft, fairly docile in ground handling manners. A great load hauler and speed is not bad. Easy to maintain and work on, and a joy to fly. My 185 has never had a shop annual in the 40 years I've owned it. I've worked with just 3 I/A's in that time, all have been 185 owners, the last one for the past 30 years.
There are quite a few of us (older guy's) flying the 180/185 aircraft in the 180/185 type club. The 180 is a great aircraft also, I owned one back in the late sixties and early seventies, also flew skydivers in 180's in the late sixties. You get the best of both planes with the 185.
There is a fair amount of junk on the market in these aircraft. Damage history is OK if rebuilt buy a good shop, such as Beggles in Greeley,CO. There are also a few good one's that come on the market off and on. Beggles usually has at least 5-10 180/185 aircraft in their shop at all times for either upgrades or ground loops and the damage it does. You know what they say about GL's, there are those that have and those that will, same as the old gear up saying. Beggles has rebuilt a number of high time 185's from the ground up for different agency's, since you can't buy a new one, a ground up restoration is big $$$, still cheaper than a new 206.
There are also a lot of good mods to make these aircraft even better. Stan, if you need any help on a purchase Ill do what I can. Ron
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