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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 10:48 |
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Joined: 03/25/12 Posts: 7281 Post Likes: +6566 Location: KCMA - Camarillo, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Just did 10.4 hours LAX to London in a B-737. Great ride, great flight. BBJ with Aux Fuel no doubt. Hardly a comparison to the cattle car the airlines operate.
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 13:03 |
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Joined: 03/25/12 Posts: 7281 Post Likes: +6566 Location: KCMA - Camarillo, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Yea. BBJ? Fantastic ride.
The heinous peasant class seats on an Air France A340?
About halfway from Detroit to Paris I couldn't feel my legs.
During the walk from that to the next leg I didn't want to feel my legs. Probably good mental preparation for where you are going. Don't want to feel too pampered when you get to that SH. Can you imagine arriving there in a BBJ? Probably never get off.
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 13:26 |
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Joined: 03/25/12 Posts: 7281 Post Likes: +6566 Location: KCMA - Camarillo, CA
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Username Protected wrote: I need zero mental prep.
All I need is a valid medical, caffeine and a ride there.
The trip to/from is by far, the WORST part of the job.
Considering I get rocketed/mortared/shot at somewhat regularly, that says something. I guess it is all in what you get use to and enjoy doing. I would prefer a ride in coach to that. Old Bull vs Young Bull thing.
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 22:51 |
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Joined: 05/21/15 Posts: 1667 Post Likes: +1845
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Username Protected wrote: Just did 10.4 hours LAX to London in a B-737. Great ride, great flight. ....in a BBJ or center seat in row 22 in coach?
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 07:14 |
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Joined: 09/05/09 Posts: 5
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Username Protected wrote: Just did 10.4 hours LAX to London in a B-737. Great ride, great flight. ....in a BBJ or center seat in row 22 in coach?
737 with PATS tanks. We have 12 seats on board.
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 13:32 |
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Joined: 09/05/09 Posts: 5
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Username Protected wrote: How do you crew it?
Surly you don't have two poor schmucks stuck in that sardine can of a cockpit for 10.4 hours?!?!?!? 2,3 or 4 pilot rotation depending on the trip.
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 14:42 |
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Joined: 08/26/15 Posts: 10048 Post Likes: +10057 Company: airlines (*CRJ,A320) Location: Florida panhandle
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Username Protected wrote: I need zero mental prep.
All I need is a valid medical, caffeine and a ride there.
The trip to/from is by far, the WORST part of the job.
Considering I get rocketed/mortared/shot at somewhat regularly, that says something. I guess it is all in what you get use to and enjoy doing. I would prefer a ride in coach to that. Old Bull vs Young Bull thing. It's all in what you get used to, and the small creature comforts can make the unpleasant a little more tolerable... small creature comforts like bringing along your favorite music in an mp3 player (inside joke...).
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 15:19 |
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Joined: 08/03/08 Posts: 16153 Post Likes: +8870 Location: 2W5
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They could do those trips in a CRJ700/900 if you want something to complain about  I did IAD-DUB this week in a United 757. Single aisle as well. Departure 10:25pm, who cares about bathrooms if you sleep 6hrs straight ?
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 15:24 |
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Joined: 01/28/13 Posts: 1102 Post Likes: +291 Location: Salzburg, Austria
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Username Protected wrote: 737 with PATS tanks. We have 12 seats on board. still a slow "bugger"….at the 737 LRC speeds milk turns sour on long range flights….but guess you have real fridges in the galley, so not such a factor…. prefer a Falcon 7X or 8X or a fast Gulfstream over a BBJ anytime…. but understand, the BBJ clientele does not have to be anywhere fast…from the Middle East they usually just want to get away to wherever…no matter at what speed…which I can understand...
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Post subject: Re: Long flight 737 Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 16:14 |
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Joined: 11/16/13 Posts: 293 Post Likes: +159 Location: Tessier, Saskatchewan
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Got you all beat - Air Canada Rouge A319 - they wedge 124 seats into Cattle Class, 29" pitch and 3" recline. (The OP's COPA 737 is 31" pitch and 5" recline.) Two bathrooms for us in the back - the front 12 seats get their own and cabin crew can't allow us to use it.
They put that on the Toronto to San Jose (Costa Rica) route. Direct (on the way down) is about 5.5 hours, but for the return (get this) they can't put enough fuel on to meet reserves because the weight of all the passengers is too heavy, so they have to stop to refuel at Nassau, and generally just fuel for that out of SJO. Makes it 6.5 to 7 hours. Even better, on the last trip, last minute forecast winds suggested we "might" be able to make the return trip without the refueling stop, so they called the fuel truck back after we were all loaded, which added another 40 min. Then once airborne winds weren't as forecast so had to stop at Nassau anyway, except they had heard we took on extra fuel on SJO and all went home to bed. Waited there for another 2h for fuel crew to get out of bed and come back to the airport. Total time in that sardine can nearly 10 hours.
Don't get me wrong, Air Canada crew was doing their best with the cards they were dealt, stuck with a decision driven by mgt and shareholders who would never be caught dead on a plane like that. It's the "best" connection to SJO for us, but we will never be fooled into taking it again, or even flying AC period. There are other choices and they blew it.
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